nocontrol74

So I finally got around to watching the SS race from this morning. Is anyone else sick of seeing lapped traffic effect the outcome of AMA races?

Bostrom ran a great race and held off Herrin right to the end until they ran up on Mr. 43rd place.

I can see where you want to allow as many people as possible in club racing, but as the top series in America, do we really need 40+ riders on the grid?

PeteN95

Ben ran well, but that's racing and Josh made a great move.

Hypnotiq

Brilliant move by Josh Herrin. Lap traffic is a fact of life. I dont think the grid needs to be cut down to 15 bikes because of lap traffic.

Congrats to NW girl Misti Hurst, finishing 30th in the Supersport race.

nocontrol74

Why is it part of racing? You don't see it in Moto GP and you don't see it in WSBK.

Last year it was the determining factor in the AMA superbike championship. (Spies' pass into the corkscrew at Laguna)

Why is everyone on the board up in arms about the class changes, but no one seems to notice that guys who should probably be back winning their club races are determining the outcomes of the top series in North America?

In race 1 at Barber, 12 of the 22 starters had been lapped by the end. That is ridiculous.

mnewell

It sucks but that's how racing goes...

Everyone is fighting for position, whether you are in a battle for 1st or 42nd. The guys in front of Bostrom and Herrin should have gotten out of the way but, unfortunately, they didn't react quickly enough.

The pass that Josh pulled was pretty risky though. It would have been a shame if he lost the front and took out Ben (and the lapped riders).

Hypnotiq

Josh's move was brilliant. Ben checked up too much, played it safe and Josh went for the win since he was hungry. Even Ben complimented him on the move.

And the reason why you don't see it on international circuits as much is there tracks are much bigger than ours. More time for the riders to spread out.

However, with the exception of a MotoGP dry race, I've seen riders lapped in WSBK, WSS, WSSTK, BSB, JSP, etc.

You're right though. We should only have 10 guys on the grid. No reason to give others a chance at riding and becoming better and faster.

Let's extend it too. I'm don't want to have to deal with lap traffic at the club level either. I mean, c'mon, they can determine whether or not I collect contingency or not. Let's get those slow guys off the grid and out of my way.

late apex

Nico has spoke, let it be so...

Dammit, I can't race anymore due to the new regulations.

Impeach Nico.

nocontrol74

My opinions here are those of a race fan Nico. Yours seem to be those of a racer. Should the premiere class cater to the racers or to the fans?

nocontrol74

And of course you have seen it in all of those series, but do you see it without fail, every race, with up to 50% of the grid being lapped?

Hypnotiq

Once again, compare the size of our tracks to the european tracks. Ours are much smaller almost by half in some cases.

RVFR

Lets make it more interesting by having 3 heat races with 10 laps 15 in each one, take the top 5 out of each heat and make a 4th round a 20 lapper Hmm, probably take to long huh?

nocontrol74

How does the track length figure in exactly?

The last WSB race had a gap of 35 seconds from 1st to 20th place.

The last AMA SBK race had a gap of 58 seconds from 1st to 10th place - They stopped reporting the gap at that point because that's where people started getting lapped.

Hypnotiq

WSBK has a spec tire.

Mr Sunshine

You can race with me. I just need a bigger bike to stay in front of yout.

late apex

You have a bigger bike, yours is a 650 and mine is a lowly 600. That must be the reason you beat me in our only head to head race. Now we have to race on a track that you know well and i have been on once. Advantage Sunshine.

GixxerPete

But it's not racing at all, it's a stupid game of chance and luck called "dodge the backmarkers" and ruins the racing, IMO. This bullshit doesn't happen in WSBK or MotoGP, ever. The fields are a lot smaller, so the back of the field is much quicker than a 40+ bike grid would be. You rarely even see the leaders lap anyone in MotoGP or WSBK, but if they do, the lappers know they are geting lapped, and get way the fuck out of the way and off the race line.

This Supersport race was a perfect example of this crap, where races aren't decided by who's fastest, but instead by who gets lucky and who gets screwed by the backmarkers. Ben had it covered, no way was Herrin going to get back by him again in the last couple of corners, unless Ben crashed, or got screwed by a backmarker. Is that really fair? Fuck no. Does it reward the best rider/team? Nope. It's total bullshit, brought on by the amazing incompetence of the AMA.

If they're going to have the outcomes of races be determined by pure dumb luck and chance, why not just have have a lottery or draw straws to see who wins and skip the race?

GixxerPete

Fixed it for ya. That's not how racing goes, just racing in the brain-dead AMA.

Or they should still be club racing, because that's where they belong, not in a Pro level event they are clearly nowhere near fast enough to be competing in.

Yes that would have been even more of shame than Josh getting the victory handed to him by a backmarker.

GixxerPete

Frankly I'm shocked you would have this attitude? 40+ bikes on a Supersport grid where 70+ % of them get lapped is bullshit. Races being repeatedly decided because of backmarkers is bullshit. Racing is supposed to be about who's fastest, and who has the best bike, not who gets lucky and who gets screwed by backmarkers.

When you see lappers in MotoGP, WSBK, WSS etc it's not til the very end of the race (as opposed to 8-10 laps in, like an AMA race) it's only one or two here & there (as opposed to a never ending train of lappers, like in an AMA race) and those riders know they're being lapped, and get the hell out of the way (as opposed to being in their own heated battle for 42nd and 43rd place, like in an AMA race). Basically lappers are a non-factor, except in the AMA.

The AMA is bunch of inbred retarded incompetent dipshits that don't have fucking clue how to properly organize a race series. And now they NASCRAP is running the show, it's looking to get a lot WORSE instead of better, as instead of just fixing what was wrong with the AMA, they're just throwing the baby out with bath water and ruining the whole thing.

jwfzr

I hate to admit it but Pete is right. You don't see lapped riders in WSBK or supersport. Now we get NASCAR superbike.lol.... what a shame.

GixxerPete

More importantly, compare the size of the grids and lap times of the back of the field to front of the field. That is far more telling than track size. The smaller tracks just exaceberate the problem even more.

So with half the size of track, it makes sense to put more than twice as many bike on it?

jwfzr

and pretty soon so will the AMA I mean NASCAR motorcycle racing.

GixxerPete

And that matters how?

nocontrol74

If anyone here could build a new series that would bring American racing up to par with the rest of the world what would you do?

jwfzr

Copy WSBK, Salarys are higher in the AMA the only thing from keeping more top riders from coming here is the retardedness of the AMA.

nocontrol74

So USSBK? Similar rules to allow manufacturers to develop for both series cost effectively?

What about 125's or 250's? something a little bigger than the Red Bull rookies cup...

jwfzr

Yep. I think it was a mistake to get rid of the 250gp here as well. That 450 single class could be intersting as well.

vtwin

Follow the BSB, their races are always dam good.

mnewell

No, it's part of racing. You have the same issues in almost all other racing leagues, be it bikes or cars.

theJrod