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GixxerPete · 05-07-2008, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

That would Hayden I believe.
As lame as it was knowing the outcome of everyrace you are right. At least he toyed with the competition.

And therein lies the difference, what separates the greats like Rossi from the rest... racecraft. Guys like Stoner and Pedrobot have the speed, but lack the racecraft skills.

richardlpalmer · 05-07-2008, 09:49 AM

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NoQuarter#121 · 05-07-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by jwfzr

Second and most importantly he had no competition. field sucked. A bunch of headcases that Rossi was able to bully.
Of the legends you speak of I know of 4 that don't believe he had good competition. Kenny Roberts, Wayne Rainey, Eddie Lawson, Kevin Schwantz told me this in person. :

Well, they were the best most expereinced riders in the world at that time...

Who is he s'posed to race?

Ago is often considered the GOAT but he also had by FAR the best bike at MV and he only had very sparse competition. Saarinen, Hailwood.

I think Rossi has the same problems Doohan did, he is better than the rest. But Doohan always had the best bike.

Gotta give credit, Rossi has won world championships on 125, 250, and 500 two strokes, then immediately won on the 990 four stroke.

I call that natural versatility.

Only bad luck, and an out of control Elias kept him from ending the 990 era as champ.

The Duc in the hands of Stoner was untouchable as the japanese struggled.

The 800cc bikes and continued interference from electronics have taken away much of his advantage but I still think he is the best rider on the grid.

we shall see as he adapts to the Bridgestone tires and gets to tracks where that brand of tires dominate (like Shanghai)

Anyway I wish we could go back to the tire smoking, last lap passing of the old 990 days!!!

fastfoodfred · 05-08-2008, 10:00 PM

Great thread, Jason, but you are going to need heavier line.

eurospeed · 05-12-2008, 02:22 PM

you never gonna drop it.
are you so bitter of the fact hayden was fluke.

eurospeed · 05-12-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

Well, they were the best most expereinced riders in the world at that time...

Who is he s'posed to race?

Ago is often considered the GOAT but he also had by FAR the best bike at MV and he only had very sparse competition. Saarinen, Hailwood.

I think Rossi has the same problems Doohan did, he is better than the rest. But Doohan always had the best bike.

Gotta give credit, Rossi has won world championships on 125, 250, and 500 two strokes, then immediately won on the 990 four stroke.

I call that natural versatility.

Only bad luck, and an out of control Elias kept him from ending the 990 era as champ.

The Duc in the hands of Stoner was untouchable as the japanese struggled.

The 800cc bikes and continued interference from electronics have taken away much of his advantage but I still think he is the best rider on the grid.

we shall see as he adapts to the Bridgestone tires and gets to tracks where that brand of tires dominate (like Shanghai)

Anyway I wish we could go back to the tire smoking, last lap passing of the old 990 days!!!

Ciao998 · 05-12-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

And therein lies the difference, what separates the greats like Rossi from the rest... racecraft. Guys like Stoner and Pedrobot have the speed, but lack the racecraft skills.

True!!!! Although don't forget they are both very very young still

About the Stoner getting superior machinery...............Are you kidding? Ducati completely redesigned Melandris bike to better suit him!!! Ducati is completely committed to their riders and the TEAMS results if you ask me.

Stoner won because he had the best team in 07, and that included even him. IF Stoner wins this year it will be because he is maturing and the teams progression with the bike.

There have been 4 winners in 4 races this year!!!! I swear people will whine about anything!!!!

richardlpalmer · 05-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ciao998

True!!!! Although don't forget they are both very very young still

About the Stoner getting superior machinery...............Are you kidding? Ducati completely redesigned Melandris bike to better suit him!!! Ducati is completely committed to their riders and the TEAMS results if you ask me.

Stoner won because he had the best team in 07, and that included even him. IF Stoner wins this year it will be because he is maturing and the teams progression with the bike.

There have been 4 winners in 4 races this year!!!! I swear people will whine about anything!!!!

They might be comitted to the team but Ducati holds the strongest to the adage, "The machine is more important than the rider." It isn't so much about fitting the bike to a rider as finding a rider that suits the bike.

That's the primary reason Rossi didn't go with them. They are even worse than Honda in their philosophy about rider/machine. So in this case Stoner fit the machine well and was able to ride it. Melandri, not so much...

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05-07-2008, 09:49 AM	#82
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05-08-2008, 10:00 PM	#84
fastfoodfred MotoGP Champion Joined: Mar 2006 From: spokane, wa I Ride: 2006 R6	Great thread, Jason, but you are going to need heavier line.


05-12-2008, 02:22 PM	#85
eurospeed WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2005 From: medford,OR 97501 I Ride: '05 GSXR-600	you never gonna drop it. are you so bitter of the fact hayden was fluke.