My personal sob story - Page 2

Locutus · 08-19-2012, 05:36 AM

Looks like you've got a good winter project. Compression problem and it is smoking? It does sound like rings. Could be valves, I'd check them anyway. Start hunting down somebody that can pull the engine down for (or with) you. Do you have a shop manual for this thing?

DevanJones · 08-20-2012, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by kdo58

have you tried riding it with the petcock on prime?

I'm putting some gas in the tank today and I'm gonna try that.

Originally Posted by justinsabre

im not sure if u can or not but put some slick 50 in the oil to seal up the rings, just an idea, not sure if it will hurt anything else or not, as for the car is it turning over and wont start or will it not turn over?

just was looking on craigslist and the issues u are having sounds almost like the problems a guy with an 83 had, thinking it was the rings he took it apart and found that the rings where good, now got me thinking, timing or cams bad?

Which Slick 50 product? And the car was leaking oil so my dad and I sprayed it down with engine degreaser and then rinsed it off at a car wash to find the leak. Then my dad pulled out one of my spark plugs since it had some oil around it's base and there was quite a bit of oil in it. We think either oil got somewhere it shouldn't when he removed the plug or water got somewhere it shouldn't when we rinsed. We pulled the distributor cap and it was pretty rusty but we're gonna work on it more today.

Originally Posted by Locutus

Looks like you've got a good winter project. Compression problem and it is smoking? It does sound like rings. Could be valves, I'd check them anyway. Start hunting down somebody that can pull the engine down for (or with) you. Do you have a shop manual for this thing?

I do have a shop manual. By pull it down do you mean take it apart? The mechanic slang isn't one of my areas of knowledge. Also, my dad is kinda like Don Corleone. He always knows a guy. He's talking to one of those guys to see what that guy thinks and if he'd be willing to take a look.

MOTOGPwannabe · 08-20-2012, 09:38 AM

need 2 pull the cover off and check valve clearance and cam lobes for wear. sound fairly catastrophic...if the cams show no wear and your clearance is bad, the valve seats or valves themselves are burning out

DevanJones · 08-20-2012, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by MOTOGPwannabe

need 2 pull the cover off and check valve clearance and cam lobes for wear. sound fairly catastrophic...if the cams show no wear and your clearance is bad, the valve seats or valves themselves are burning out

The valve clearances were pretty good when I checked them, but I'll do it again.

Twistedracer · 08-20-2012, 05:21 PM

Like posted before try running the bike on the prime position. If no improvement pull the fuel line to see if fuel flows freely when petcock is placed in prime position. If fuel just dribbles out, remove the petcock. The internal screen attached to it could be plugged and needs cleaning. Let's ensure good fuel flow first to rule that out as a problem.

Locutus · 08-20-2012, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by DevanJones

I do have a shop manual. By pull it down do you mean take it apart? The mechanic slang isn't one of my areas of knowledge. Also, my dad is kinda like Don Corleone. He always knows a guy. He's talking to one of those guys to see what that guy thinks and if he'd be willing to take a look.

Yeppers ... take it apart. Pull the engine, pull the heads and jugs. Check valves & seats, rings, cylinder wear, wrist pins (while you're at it), cam[s], lifters, all that stuff. By the time you get through ... you'll know all that mechanical shit. Not to mention you'll have a good, solid machine.... enjoy.

coastiepete · 08-20-2012, 05:59 PM

Before you spend too much money, find somebody who knows how to check compression. Your story about the other guy sounds fishy. maybe he had a bad gauge.

if it DOES turn out to be a bad piston/ring/cylinder...........it's prolly cheaper to jut buy a used engine, and then save up for a rebuild on that one.

coastiepete · 08-20-2012, 06:00 PM

Hey, did you post up on how many miles are on the engine? How many does it have?

justinsabre · 08-20-2012, 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=DevanJones;2833772]I'm putting some gas in the tank today and I'm gonna try that.

Which Slick 50 product? And the car was leaking oil so my dad and I sprayed it down with engine degreaser and then rinsed it off at a car wash to find the leak. Then my dad pulled out one of my spark plugs since it had some oil around it's base and there was quite a bit of oil in it. We think either oil got somewhere it shouldn't when he removed the plug or water got somewhere it shouldn't when we rinsed. We pulled the distributor cap and it was pretty rusty but we're gonna work on it more today.

i know if u look at there oil treatment one it say helps rings and seals, thats why i was thinking that.

the oil leak on the car into the spark plug areas sounds like the seals and valve cover gasket, and u more then likely got water in a connection or dist and when that happens cars dont like to start, i did that to my daughters car and had to replace plugs and clean them all out there was water sitting in them, then the car started and ran alot better,

DevanJones · 08-20-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Twistedracer

Like posted before try running the bike on the prime position. If no improvement pull the fuel line to see if fuel flows freely when petcock is placed in prime position. If fuel just dribbles out, remove the petcock. The internal screen attached to it could be plugged and needs cleaning. Let's ensure good fuel flow first to rule that out as a problem.

So the petcock isn't the issue. I pulled and cleaned that and fuel flows out just fine.

Originally Posted by Locutus

Yeppers ... take it apart. Pull the engine, pull the heads and jugs. Check valves & seats, rings, cylinder wear, wrist pins (while you're at it), cam[s], lifters, all that stuff. By the time you get through ... you'll know all that mechanical shit. Not to mention you'll have a good, solid machine.... enjoy.

I think I might end up doing this, but we'll see how it goes.

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Hey, did you post up on how many miles are on the engine? How many does it have?

It has just a few over 30k.

Originally Posted by justinsabre

the oil leak on the car into the spark plug areas sounds like the seals and valve cover gasket, and u more then likely got water in a connection or dist and when that happens cars dont like to start, i did that to my daughters car and had to replace plugs and clean them all out there was water sitting in them, then the car started and ran alot better,

After four trips to AutoZone and back I got my car all fixed. Put a new distributor cap, rotor, plugs, and gasket and it starts better and runs just as good as it did before.

SkiPunk11 · 08-20-2012, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by DevanJones

After four trips to AutoZone and back I got my car all fixed. Put a new distributor cap, rotor, plugs, and gasket and it starts better and runs just as good as it did before.

AWESOME !!!

DevanJones · 08-21-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by SkiPunk11

AWESOME !!!

Hopefully you guys can help me do the same thing with my bike tonight!

justinsabre · 08-21-2012, 07:12 AM

well if u are there we can look at it and see what it looks like, we might be able to figure something out as to whats going on.

DevanJones · 08-21-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by justinsabre

well if u are there we can look at it and see what it looks like, we might be able to figure something out as to whats going on.

I'll be there.

taznhell · 08-21-2012, 02:34 PM

30K would be surprised if it were rings that is low miles for that bike. Sounds like an issue with valve or a leaking gasket. If it sat for awhile not running the gaskets could have dried and cracked. The result would cause a leak air/oil could get into the cylinder and cause that type of issue.

DevanJones · 08-24-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by taznhell

30K would be surprised if it were rings that is low miles for that bike. Sounds like an issue with valve or a leaking gasket. If it sat for awhile not running the gaskets could have dried and cracked. The result would cause a leak air/oil could get into the cylinder and cause that type of issue.

Okay. Sounds logical... which gaskets could it be?

bcj · 08-24-2012, 06:42 PM

Don't put majick stuff in the oil.

Just don't.

Whatever it is that it's supposed to do...
the same oil in the crank case is splashing through your clutch too.

No telling what it will do to that.


08-19-2012, 05:36 AM	#21
Locutus Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2011 From: here going there. I Ride: because I can.	Looks like you've got a good winter project. Compression problem and it is smoking? It does sound like rings. Could be valves, I'd check them anyway. Start hunting down somebody that can pull the engine down for (or with) you. Do you have a shop manual for this thing? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 09:38 AM	#23
MOTOGPwannabe Training Wheels Joined: Apr 2012 From: Port Angeles I Ride: 2010 R1 Vale' Edition, '86 GTR1000	need 2 pull the cover off and check valve clearance and cam lobes for wear. sound fairly catastrophic...if the cams show no wear and your clearance is bad, the valve seats or valves themselves are burning out __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 05:21 PM	#25
Twistedracer Licensed Joined: Jul 2012 From: Spanaway, Wa I Ride: PS1000LE	Like posted before try running the bike on the prime position. If no improvement pull the fuel line to see if fuel flows freely when petcock is placed in prime position. If fuel just dribbles out, remove the petcock. The internal screen attached to it could be plugged and needs cleaning. Let's ensure good fuel flow first to rule that out as a problem. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 05:59 PM	#27
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	Before you spend too much money, find somebody who knows how to check compression. Your story about the other guy sounds fishy. maybe he had a bad gauge. if it DOES turn out to be a bad piston/ring/cylinder...........it's prolly cheaper to jut buy a used engine, and then save up for a rebuild on that one. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 06:00 PM	#28
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	Hey, did you post up on how many miles are on the engine? How many does it have? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-20-2012, 08:31 PM	#29
justinsabre Licensed Joined: Sep 2010 From: beaverton or I Ride: 82 honda sabre v45	[QUOTE=DevanJones;2833772]I'm putting some gas in the tank today and I'm gonna try that. Which Slick 50 product? And the car was leaking oil so my dad and I sprayed it down with engine degreaser and then rinsed it off at a car wash to find the leak. Then my dad pulled out one of my spark plugs since it had some oil around it's base and there was quite a bit of oil in it. We think either oil got somewhere it shouldn't when he removed the plug or water got somewhere it shouldn't when we rinsed. We pulled the distributor cap and it was pretty rusty but we're gonna work on it more today. i know if u look at there oil treatment one it say helps rings and seals, thats why i was thinking that. the oil leak on the car into the spark plug areas sounds like the seals and valve cover gasket, and u more then likely got water in a connection or dist and when that happens cars dont like to start, i did that to my daughters car and had to replace plugs and clean them all out there was water sitting in them, then the car started and ran alot better, __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 07:12 AM	#33
justinsabre Licensed Joined: Sep 2010 From: beaverton or I Ride: 82 honda sabre v45	well if u are there we can look at it and see what it looks like, we might be able to figure something out as to whats going on. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-21-2012, 02:34 PM	#35
taznhell Shredder Joined: Jul 2008 From: Cornelius, Oregon I Ride: Everyday	30K would be surprised if it were rings that is low miles for that bike. Sounds like an issue with valve or a leaking gasket. If it sat for awhile not running the gaskets could have dried and cracked. The result would cause a leak air/oil could get into the cylinder and cause that type of issue. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-24-2012, 06:42 PM	#37
bcj Railer Joined: Jan 2008 From: teh rock	Don't put majick stuff in the oil. Just don't. Whatever it is that it's supposed to do... the same oil in the crank case is splashing through your clutch too. No telling what it will do to that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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