I bought a 1977 PE250b from Debi a while ago and didn't decide to get it into my name right away. I than lost the title (tried looking for it to no avail) and now want it registered in my name so I can get OHV tabs for it. Now here is the problem, I want to apply for lost title so I can get it into my name without the title but I need to know what the VIN is. The only serial numbers I see are the frame number and engine number (both of which seem really short for a VIN). My question here is: Are the VIN numbers on these older off-road the frame number? The frame number is PE250-162xx (The xx is actually a number though). Is that normal? Google tells me that pre-1980 do not have VIN's, so when I go into the DOL do I present them with the frame or engine number?