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OOk · 06-23-2009, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by dwschultzy

yes you're wrong....i made sure to shut down the nesba event early

Oh ya, that's right!!!! LUUUUUUULZ! Minus the 'schultzy factor' I thought they had intended to go 'til 5?

You could also use: "Ya, we had to go home early, someone -shultz'd- the track!"

the chemist · 06-24-2009, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by OOk

You could also use: "Ya, we had to go home early, someone -shultz'd- the track!"

I know this is a poke at Donny, but my last name is "scholz" often said "schultz" and after what I did to the t2 tire wall...i resemble that mark too

PeteN95 · 06-24-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by theJrod

Everyone that rides the track should run water. Many orgs in other parts of the country won't let you turn a wheel with antifreeze in your bike. It's a safety issue, and it's really not that hard to do. Many tracks require it, like Pacific GP, regardless of what org you're with.

I'm not going to argue the safety factor, but why only the experienced guys?? Who is more likely to crash, some clueless newb or a veteran rider? Plus none of the other groups that run at PR require it, so why should I take the trouble to swap coolant in my street bike twice for every track day? And you're using a go-kart track as an example?!

PeteN95 · 06-24-2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by the chemist

Well if you're only going to do one track day....if not, why pay $30 more per day. Plus, as mentioned you can pay for it with the free $75 credit they offer.

$30 more?? I found that it actually ranges from $9 more on a weekday to $36 less on a weekend with another local group!? Plus I don't have to ride in Intermediate!?

Hypnotiq · 06-24-2009, 10:54 AM

We can't help when other organizations are willing to cut their prices to take a loss on an event.

We are the only group to offer weekend events and the price you see, requires to pretty much sell out the event to BREAK EVEN. Pacific Raceways is ridiculously expensive to rent. $21k just for the track. Which does not include airfence, ambulance, incidentals, etc. By the time you're done, it's almost $28k.

NESBA is a 501c3 Non Profit. We charge enough to cover the expenses of the event and small administrative costs.

And the Advanced guys are more likely to crash in a way that would end up in coolant on the track and on the actual race lines. Personally, I think it should be like the CA track days. All groups, water only. Anti-freeze is a bitch to clean up.

You don't like NESBA's policies, fine. But move on already. There is no need to continue whining.

cobra525 · 06-24-2009, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by the chemist

I've seen unicorns in 5...

oh wait, that was probably rob's bike

Ok I'll admit, I LOL'd

Remind me to kick you(with my good leg) next time I see you

PeteN95 · 06-24-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hypnotiq

And the Advanced guys are more likely to crash in a way that would end up in coolant on the track and on the actual race lines. Personally, I think it should be like the CA track days. All groups, water only. Anti-freeze is a bitch to clean up.
You don't like NESBA's policies, fine. But move on already. There is no need to continue whining.

I was just responding to a post directed at me which I felt was inaccurate and probably wouldn't post again, but since you're calling me a whiner. Exactly how is an advanced rider "more likely to crash in a way that would end up in coolant on the track and on the actual race lines" than a novice or intermediate rider? B or I riders don't use the race lines? Or go fast enough to damage a radiator or hose? Sorry, but unless you have some proof, I call BS.

theJrod · 06-24-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by PeteN95

I'm not going to argue the safety factor, but why only the experienced guys?? Who is more likely to crash, some clueless newb or a veteran rider? Plus none of the other groups that run at PR require it, so why should I take the trouble to swap coolant in my street bike twice for every track day? And you're using a go-kart track as an example?!

D_Rail · 06-24-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by PeteN95

I was just responding to a post directed at me which I felt was inaccurate and probably wouldn't post again, but since you're calling me a whiner. Exactly how is an advanced rider "more likely to crash in a way that would end up in coolant on the track and on the actual race lines" than a novice or intermediate rider? B or I riders don't use the race lines? Or go fast enough to damage a radiator or hose? Sorry, but unless you have some proof, I call BS.

Crashes in A Group (or "EH" group as the Canadians call it) tend to be a little more epic over all. Also the group runs at a higher rate of speed in general so bikes hits bike at a higher rate of speed.

Take highsides for example, much more present in A Group, usually create the most amount of damage and can hit the pavement in a way that can crack open the case covers, the radiator, or worse... BOTH! Also the enignes that run in A Group also are usually pushed to the mechanical limits and can sometimes pop due to that, and since the A Group folks are much more familiar to the race line you can bet they'll be on it, dropping oil, or whatever it may be. It's part of the game unfortunately.

As for the B and I groups, the main issues for crashing are going to be lowsides (panic = brakes) and traget fixation.. Everytime. Those two inccidents are, 99/100 times, going to lead a bike and rider off into the bushes to drop whatever fulids its gonna drop.

In a nutshell that's pretty much why we ask that you be prepared with water wetter. It's just as good as antifreeze if not better. On a seriuos note though, antifreeze is difficult to clean up. Take it from someguys that have been out there to help in full gear and helmets pushing brooms! :(

PS - You dont have to switch back after you change to Water Wetter in your street bike. I made the switch when I went to Thuderhill a long time ago, and have used it in everything since then. One of the first things I do after I buy a bike actually.

OOk · 06-24-2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by cobra525

Ok I'll admit, I LOL'd

Remind me to kick you(with my good leg) next time I see you

But if you kick him with your good leg then you're putting all your weight on your bad leg, and you might fall down and break your hip!!! OH NOEZ!

the chemist · 06-24-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by PeteN95

$30 more?? I found that it actually ranges from $9 more on a weekday to $36 less on a weekend with another local group!? Plus I don't have to ride in Intermediate!?

Who have you seen doing track days on a weekend at Pacific? Because please tell me, I want to do trackdays for almost $40 less! Nesba is $160 on a weekend. Who else is cheaper? And I'm not talking the "Oh, we only sold 3 spots so now until the event its $140"

OOk · 06-24-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by the chemist

Who have you seen doing track days on a weekend at Pacific? Because please tell me, I want to do trackdays for almost $40 less! Nesba is $160 on a weekDAY. Who else is cheaper? And I'm not talking the "Oh, we only sold 3 spots so now until the event its $140"

FIXED!!!

I believe NESBA is $210 on the weekends now. But you are correct about the weekend schedule, nobody else has them at PR except NESBA and 2Fast's Seattle 100 (which costs $500).

vagrant · 06-24-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by D_Rail

As for the B and I groups, the main issues for crashing are going to be lowsides (panic = brakes) and traget fixation.. Everytime. Those two inccidents are, 99/100 times, going to lead a bike and rider off into the bushes to drop whatever fulids its gonna drop.

I hate traget fixation.

cobra525 · 06-24-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by OOk

But if you kick him with your good leg then you're putting all your weight on your bad leg, and you might fall down and break your hip!!! OH NOEZ!

Oooo, that would be bad. mebbe i'll just hit 'im with a crutch then

D_Rail · 06-24-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by OOk

FIXED!!!

I believe NESBA is $210 on the weekends now. But you are correct about the weekend schedule, nobody else has them at PR except NESBA and 2Fast's Seattle 100 (which costs $500).

Double fixed! $205 on Weekends!

You just gained yourself some Starbucks right there!

Haus · 06-24-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Deerhunter

I'm a track day junkie and am looking for input on why riders choose particular tracks for the days they schedule into their budget. I ask because I've seen surprisingly low attendance at ORP. This thread would be helpful if I could gain an understanding of what you need rather than information about what you don't like. BTW, I am not a track promoter or owner, just interested. If there is another thread I've missed that would help, let me know.

ummm....

...BOOBIES! umbrella girls for a track day, now thats innovation.

theJrod · 06-24-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by OOk

But if you kick him with your good leg then you're putting all your weight on your bad leg, and you might fall down and break your hip!!! OH NOEZ!

And you don't want that. No no no....

OOk · 06-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by D_Rail

Double fixed! $205 on Weekends!

You just gained yourself some Starbucks right there!

the chemist · 06-25-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by OOk

FIXED!!!

I believe NESBA is $210 on the weekends now. But you are correct about the weekend schedule, nobody else has them at PR except NESBA and 2Fast's Seattle 100 (which costs $500).

Thank you, I meant weekday. Also, as DaRell (

) said, its 205, BUT if you sign up for both days you get 10 bucks off. So it ends up being 200/day for the weekend. Thats only 10 bucks more a day than the other track orgs normal prices.


06-24-2009, 10:54 AM	#45
Hypnotiq MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2005 From: Issaquah, WA I Ride: Race: 06GSXR750 - Street: 09 Eight Four Eight	We can't help when other organizations are willing to cut their prices to take a loss on an event. We are the only group to offer weekend events and the price you see, requires to pretty much sell out the event to BREAK EVEN. Pacific Raceways is ridiculously expensive to rent. $21k just for the track. Which does not include airfence, ambulance, incidentals, etc. By the time you're done, it's almost $28k. NESBA is a 501c3 Non Profit. We charge enough to cover the expenses of the event and small administrative costs. And the Advanced guys are more likely to crash in a way that would end up in coolant on the track and on the actual race lines. Personally, I think it should be like the CA track days. All groups, water only. Anti-freeze is a bitch to clean up. You don't like NESBA's policies, fine. But move on already. There is no need to continue whining. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Hypnotiq; 06-24-2009 at 10:57 AM..

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