PNW Riders

the chemist · 07-07-2009, 05:57 PM

Of combining OMRRA and WMRRA? I realize it would be a lot of work etc. But I was just wondering if its ever even been thought of? I mean, OMRRA only runs PIR (at least for now), and WMRRA only has two tracks. I think it would make for better competition.

So, has it even been thought of? What are the downsides? Obviously traveling, but everyone whines about that...except the people who have to make a 2-5 hour journey every time they come to the track...

NoQuarter#121 · 07-07-2009, 06:03 PM

Many times over many years.
There is no where else in the Nation where 2 clubs are so close together competing for the same "racer" dollar.

FYI, I'm President of WMRRA.

I think it's a no brainer.

But you would not beleive the flack I recieve when I talk about it.

Many empires in both volunteer organizations.

But I totally agree.

NWRRA (Northwest Road Racing Association)

Rounds at

Pacific
Portland
Spokane
ORP

DUH!!!

Mic · 07-07-2009, 06:06 PM

At least with 2 clubs, there are 2 sets of contingency... lol

But yah, would we still retain the same amount of total races a year (of the combined clubs), and contingency dates?

Not that I will ever see contingency, but I can see where some of the top guys (from both clubs) may see that as not being a win win.

NoQuarter#121 · 07-07-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mic

At least with 2 clubs, there are 2 sets of contingency... lol

But yah, would we still retain the same amount of total races a year (of the combined clubs), and contingency dates?

Not that I will ever see contingency, but I can see where some of the top guys (from both clubs) may see that as not being a win win.

How many guys are chasing contingency from both clubs?

Ollie
Sully

and drum roll......

crickets.......

I agree that we would need to negotiate a favorable contingency program, but the net effect would be nil.

the chemist · 07-07-2009, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mic

But yah, would we still retain the same amount of total races a year (of the combined clubs), and contingency dates?

There wouldn't be a need to retain the same amount of dates at each. For example right now WMRRA has 8 weekends, 2 SCMP and 6 PR. If we had 4 PR and 2 SCMP as well as 4 PIR and 2 ORP dates (one each direction?), that would be 12 race weekends. I dont think there would be the NEED to combine both schedules because of the increase in race weekends as it is.

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

How many guys are chasing contingency from both clubs?

Ollie
Sully

and drum roll......

crickets.......

I agree that we would need to negotiate a favorable contingency program, but the net effect would be nil.

MikeM, Ross, you know there are a few guys. But really, I dont think losing a couple weekends and adding a few more in another place would hurt.

Also, it would force a lot of people to do more trackdays if they want to be 'fast' overall rather than just their home track. I know a lot of people say the more laps you put in, the more it just becomes muscle memory....but is that what you really want? There is a LOT to be learned from riding various tracks that can be applied at all tracks but not necessarily learned as easily. Example: trusting your front end at ORP, corner speed at PIR etc. I think it would make the northwest a group of better riders as a whole.

It could very easily be run like WERA between expert and novice. This would allow the racing to be more competitive, as well as smaller grids.

Harp · 07-07-2009, 07:04 PM

Personally, I'd like to see WERA enter the area and run it like the business it should be.

Nefarious · 07-07-2009, 07:46 PM

Far be it from me to have an opinion, and being that I literally JUST moved up here and have yet to get involved in ANY track based events, it seems to me that an organization that sticks to one or two tracks is more financially appetizing to someone who doesn't have all the money in the world that racing in a "larger" organization with more tracks in the line up requires.

Then again as I've said I'm new to the area and while I have checked up on fees, I don't know the track crowed yet, heck maybe I'm the only one that eats ramen for a few weeks to get a new set of tires and pay race fees

Eitherway, I've seen what happens when race "organizations" go from being club racing to a "Buisness" You might keep the guys who have an extra 30-40k a year to blow on an all out racing series, but the heard thins out VERY quickly.

pscook · 07-07-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Harp

Personally, I'd like to see WERA enter the area and run it like the business it should be.

Boo!

WMRRA is a "club", WERA is a business. I prefer the club atmosphere, knowing that I can contribute more than dollars to make my racing experience worth more than the sum of my financial input. I get more, lots more, from volunteering and racing, especially knowing that I am part of a club of like minded individuals, as opposed to standing in line with other customers. I believe that REI had to face this, as well as other small groups that faced expansion issues. I wholly support a NWMRA (North West Motorcycle Race Association), it would definitely expand my friendship and knowledge base. Two divisions, either WA and OR, or Eastern (SCMP and ORP) and Western (PR and PIR). That would mix it up, with division championships and an end of season "Invitational" to crown a club champ (or 5). You know something with some bragging rights (and contingency, of course).

Lets not limit to Road Racing, let's get into Supermoto and Hare Scrambles. One over-arching organization to focus all two wheeled recreation and competition. Think about it, we could rule the world! Who's with me? Tear down this wall!

fastfoodfred · 07-07-2009, 08:39 PM

WERA used to come to PIR. Going back far enough, so did other national groups.

the chemist · 07-07-2009, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Harp

Personally, I'd like to see WERA enter the area and run it like the business it should be.

I think it would be cool to have a WERA round or two at Portland.

Originally Posted by Nefarious

it seems to me that an organization that sticks to one or two tracks is more financially appetizing to someone who doesn't have all the money in the world that racing in a "larger" organization with more tracks in the line up requires.

Portland is closer the Spokane and we run there now. We all know its not a cheap sport. And if someone is not willing to shell out an extra 50-100 bucks for gas a few weekends they should probably get out of the sport. I mean with entry fees, gas, tires, etc etc its a small fee. Not to mention if we still had 4 rounds at the two (currently) main tracks you'd only be losing two weekends at each. If someone doesn't have money to head to the other tracks, they're probably not running at the top anyway.

(and yes, I eat nothing but ramen so i can get my trackdays)

Originally Posted by pscook

Boo!

I prefer the club atmosphere

I wholly support a NWMRA (North West Motorcycle Race Association), it would definitely expand my friendship and knowledge base. Two divisions, either WA and OR, or Eastern (SCMP and ORP) and Western (PR and PIR). That would mix it up, with division championships and an end of season "Invitational" to crown a club champ (or 5). You know something with some bragging rights (and contingency, of course).

I dont know about have divisions, just because I think we'd still have the separation. If someone can only ride Pacific with a weekend or two at SCMP and take a title, I'm guessing they'd just do that. If we had overall points for all four tracks though it would generate more involvement. It could be run similar to WERA in ways...like the way Novice and Expert are run, class structures etc. But I agree the club atmosphere is nice. Its cool being able to just walk up to guys like Ross or MikeM and be able to talk to them. I honestly feel having four tracks would greatly benefit the local racing community.

Financially, it would also probably benefit the club as well as the riders. Entry fees could be the same, resulting in higher payouts.

gixer_racer · 07-07-2009, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by pscook

Boo!

WMRRA is a "club", WERA is a business. I prefer the club atmosphere, knowing that I can contribute more than dollars to make my racing experience worth more than the sum of my financial input. I get more, lots more, from volunteering and racing, especially knowing that I am part of a club of like minded individuals, as opposed to standing in line with other customers. I believe that REI had to face this, as well as other small groups that faced expansion issues. I wholly support a NWMRA (North West Motorcycle Race Association), it would definitely expand my friendship and knowledge base. Two divisions, either WA and OR, or Eastern (SCMP and ORP) and Western (PR and PIR). That would mix it up, with division championships and an end of season "Invitational" to crown a club champ (or 5). You know something with some bragging rights (and contingency, of course).

Lets not limit to Road Racing, let's get into Supermoto and Hare Scrambles. One over-arching organization to focus all two wheeled recreation and competition. Think about it, we could rule the world! Who's with me? Tear down this wall!

Have you ever run with WERA, Phil? I've done MANY weekends with the east coast regions of WERA and while it may be a business, it definitely has a family feel to it. From the handful of OMRRA and WMRRA weekends that I've competed in or spectated, I can say that the pit atmosphere is VERY similar. The one thing I see better in my mind is WERA seems a bit more organized overall and their novice program is far superior.. but that's just my opinion having seen all three of them.

But yeah, a combined NWRRA or whatever you'd like to call it as folks have outlined above would seem to make a whole lot more sense than two orgs so close together and having conflicting dates, different rulebooks, etc.

Hypnotiq · 07-07-2009, 11:14 PM

Nope. Never been discussed.

1st...
http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9301
Then...
http://www.omrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2485
Going back through time...
http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3287

There is more resistance from one region than there is from another.

Motophotog · 07-08-2009, 06:50 AM

Read every post on those threads, and it sounds like it comes down to people are just too stuck on their own ideas and not open for change.

I like what Allister stated about, everyone will need to come off their high horse, some people's "power" will be taken away, positions will no longer be needed, some positions will become available. Thats what happens when clubs/companies combine. Duh.

Seems like this could be done a lot more easily than some are making it out to be. It also doesnt mean you HAVE to race every round. That also could mix up the points.

Thirdly, did anyone notice that someone stated they got a calgary racing league or whatnot organized, and once it was approved, people had to drive 15 hrs to the 1 track? Wow. Thats dedication! Thats why it pisses me off when ORP is a great track and people say "its too far." Come on folks. 4hrs is not far for the sport if its once in a while. Pansies i tell ya.

ORP included in the NWRRA or not, i think even starting slow for the first year (only PR and PIR) and then the next year add in 1 spokane date, and the third year include 1 ORP date. JUST to get the ball rolling.

cee-jay · 07-08-2009, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

ORP included in the NWRRA or not, i think even starting slow for the first year (only PR and PIR) and then the next year add in 1 spokane date, and the third year include 1 ORP date. JUST to get the ball rolling.

Blasphemy!

Why would you cut Spokane out next year?!?

Seriously--Spokane has really worked on improving and has plans for many more upgrades to facilities and track safety. Dropping SCR just ain't right.

Have you noticed how many more Eastside and Central folks are out now for trackdays and some racing?

Heck, I think the ball is already rolling!

NWRRA could be a very cool series.

Personally, I would only be able to compete in Divisions (PSCOOK), and not overall as I have a budget that allows 3 race weekends combined with 3-4 trackdays.

Not sure how many are in the same boat as me, and how many race (or would race) all rounds.

Would staff (such as Liz, Wieands, Hallangers, etc..) be able to support this ?? WMRRA has some very professional staffing that would be sorely missed if they couldn't attend due to distance. (I am sure OMRRA has some equally dedicated staffing like this also).

cj

NoQuarter#121 · 07-08-2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by the chemist

There wouldn't be a need to retain the same amount of dates at each. For example right now WMRRA has 8 weekends, 2 SCMP and 6 PR. If we had 4 PR and 2 SCMP as well as 4 PIR and 2 ORP dates (one each direction?), that would be 12 race weekends. I dont think there would be the NEED to combine both schedules because of the increase in race weekends as it is.

MikeM, Ross, you know there are a few guys.
.

Mike has raced there this year, but its been YEARS since Ross raced at Portland.

I would go like this.

Pacific 3-2 events
Portland 3-2 events
Spokane 2
ORP 2

Much more than 8 rounds can be a huge financial burden, it'e been tried in the past with porr results.

pscook · 07-08-2009, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by gixer_racer

Have you ever run with WERA, Phil? I've done MANY weekends with the east coast regions of WERA and while it may be a business, it definitely has a family feel to it. From the handful of OMRRA and WMRRA weekends that I've competed in or spectated, I can say that the pit atmosphere is VERY similar. The one thing I see better in my mind is WERA seems a bit more organized overall and their novice program is far superior.. but that's just my opinion having seen all three of them.

I don't doubt that, but I am thinking of the immediate impact to the "club/family" atmosphere. I think that there would be a lot of broken hearts if WERA (or other) were to come in and run it like a business and scared off all of the "old-timers" that have been with WMRRA for a number of years. I know that we can (and should) improve our Novice program, I do like the WERA style. However, I would absolutely still race even if it was WERA style, I just couldn't see keeping my current level of involvement with a new organization. I know, pretty broad brush that I used, but the initial shock would hit a lot of racers pretty hard.

Originally Posted by gixer_racer

But yeah, a combined NWRRA or whatever you'd like to call it as folks have outlined above would seem to make a whole lot more sense than two orgs so close together and having conflicting dates, different rulebooks, etc.

I would absolutely support a regional club, even if it didn't have divisions. I have ridden PIR once with a trackday group, but never raced. I know, just do it, right? But, the appearance of differences kinda makes me nervous, and I have a pretty small comfort zone when it comes to being outgoing and exploring new challenges. If the clubs were combined with related rules, then that would make me feel much more comfortable and I would probably go South and play.

NoQuarter#121 · 07-08-2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Harp

Personally, I'd like to see WERA enter the area and run it like the business it should be.

I don't agree with your supposition.

WMRRA may be a volunteer organization, but since I have been Pres it's run very much like a bussiness.

I'm not a huge fan of WERA's race day template.
4-6 lap races with just don't excited me.

Motophotog · 07-08-2009, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by cee-jay

Blasphemy!

Why would you cut Spokane out next year?!?

...............................
Heck, I think the ball is already rolling!

The ball is not rolling.

CJ, the point was, eazzzzzzzzzzzze into things, that way you get guys who are on the fence, to throw the other leg over. Try it out for a year. 2 tracks, or hell if everyone's in for spokane, do three tracks. The idea on any arguement is to see both sides, and a lot of people (unfortunately) are tight budgeted and dont like driving (whether you LIKE THAT or not.)

So idea was instead of going ALL IN. With a full out 4 track, 2 state, 10 event schedule. Start off slow. 2 tracks 6-8 events. then 2011, add spokane, 2012, go the full 10 weekend, 4 tracks schedule, as listed below by Allister.

Anyway, back to my point, start off going for a single. No need for a homerun when you can barely get folks to walk to the plate to take a swing.

Harp · 07-08-2009, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

I don't agree with your supposition.

WMRRA may be a volunteer organization, but since I have been Pres it's run very much like a bussiness.

I'm not a huge fan of WERA's race day template.
4-6 lap races with just don't excited me.

My post was not meant as a slight toward the way WMRRA runs things. In fact, I have no idea how WMRRA runs things.

I do have some limited insight into OMRRA and have formed an opinion about the way it is organized. Being run by committee, I find it aggravating in its political correctness.

WERA has run a successful racing business for MANY years. They know what works and what doesn't and can make hard decisions when necessary.

theJrod · 07-08-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mic

At least with 2 clubs, there are 2 sets of contingency... lol

But yah, would we still retain the same amount of total races a year (of the combined clubs), and contingency dates?

Not that I will ever see contingency, but I can see where some of the top guys (from both clubs) may see that as not being a win win.

Combining the clubs would probably yield the same total contingency, since the manufacturers don't pay out every weekend anyway, and their money is split between the two clubs.

WERA won't come up to Portland or the NW in general because their user base is in Cali mostly, and they complain about Thunderhill being too far of a drive. It's actually been discussed on WERA Forums before (them coming to Thunderhill or PIR). The idea behind a regional series is that the majority of the user base can contest the entire series, because it's regional. Nobody from LA will drive to Portland for one race. So WERA is moot.

I think the NWRRA is the best idea ever. I even like Phil's idea of a "divisional" title as well as an overall championship. Sort of like WERA West/East, it could be NWRRA West/East or even North/South.

And who says racers have to travel to all 8-10 rounds? You could just hang out in Portland and be a one-track wonder, dominating your local rounds. Nobody has to run Pacific if you don't want to. You just won't win a championship (but what does winning an OMRRA #1 plate really mean anyway?

).

Harp · 07-08-2009, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by theJrod

The idea behind a regional series is that the majority of the user base can contest the entire series, because it's regional. Nobody from LA will drive to Portland for one race. So WERA is moot.

Why is WERA moot? How about WERA NW? Actually, I don't care if its WERA...I'm just throwing them out there as an established long-term business.

If someone wants to make this regional racing entity a reality, might as well form the business, rent the tracks and have a go at it. If it's better than WMRRA and OMRRA, the racers will come.

cee-jay · 07-08-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

The ball is not rolling.

CJ, the point was, eazzzzzzzzzzzze into things, that way you get guys who are on the fence, to throw the other leg over. Try it out for a year. 2 tracks, or hell if everyone's in for spokane, do three tracks. The idea on any arguement is to see both sides, and a lot of people (unfortunately) are tight budgeted and dont like driving (whether you LIKE THAT or not.)

So idea was instead of going ALL IN. With a full out 4 track, 2 state, 10 event schedule. Start off slow. 2 tracks 6-8 events. then 2011, add spokane, 2012, go the full 10 weekend, 4 tracks schedule, as listed below by Allister.

Anyway, back to my point, start off going for a single. No need for a homerun when you can barely get folks to walk to the plate to take a swing.

Understand the point, I am just opposed to closing racing down at Spokane for a year, and only coming back once the next year. Eastside racing in Spokane already had a one year hiatus. I am hoping there will continue to be more interest and participation in track days and racing as SCR improves over here and becomes better known.

"Easing" into things excludes a perfectly good (and improving) track. I think it is easy for Seattle folks to think about dropping Spokane dates. Try thinking that way if you live clear over here. It completely excludes racing on the Eastside of the state.

NWMRRA doesn't seem much different than WMMRA or OMRRA hitting the road--going "on tour" for instance. We already have said number of events at each track (excluding ORP) for now.

Maybe that's where the problem lies--dropping the number of races at local tracks forces people to travel more (ie: more $$$) and secondly, getting out of the comfort mode of racing just one track??

Good discussion BTW.

odin544 · 07-08-2009, 10:50 AM

A NWRRA would be awesome. I've wondered to myself why it hasn't been done already. As far as the tracks being too far away? Give me a break. No one is forced to drive to the next race. People take a race weekend off all the time for financial reasons. And as stated those are the guys who are NOT at the top of the points standings. So whats it matter? They are out to have fun. Not out to win money.

I haven't even started racing yet. This weekend will be my first race. And this is a complete no brainer to me.

But I have seen from several racers how the feel "their track" is much better and wouldn't dare come to another track. "it's just not safe". pfhh whatever.

cee-jay · 07-08-2009, 10:56 AM

I do have one request for NWRRA:

No pace cars, or running starts.

Hypnotiq · 07-08-2009, 11:09 AM

The too far away comments crack me up. Do you guys even realize how far people have to travel in some of the other regions of the country to race.

We're beyond spoiled here...

Harp · 07-08-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hypnotiq

The too far away comments crack me up. Do you guys even realize how far people have to travel in some of the other regions of the country to race.

We're beyond spoiled here...

We are spoiled...

Look at what's happenned at ORP with regard to track days this year. Initial interest was high, but the added expense of travelling (time, fuel, food, lodging, etc.) has taken a toll.

Hypnotiq · 07-08-2009, 11:31 AM

With the economy the way it is, thats expected. When the economy turns around, so will that.

Harp · 07-08-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Hypnotiq

With the economy the way it is, thats expected. When the economy turns around, so will that.

Maybe...time will tell. I, for one, admit I'm spoiled. 20 minutes to PIR, 3.5 hours to ORP, 3 hours to PR...easy choice even with PR and ORP being more interesting tracks.

Nefarious · 07-08-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by the chemist

Portland is closer the Spokane and we run there now. We all know its not a cheap sport. And if someone is not willing to shell out an extra 50-100 bucks for gas a few weekends they should probably get out of the sport. I mean with entry fees, gas, tires, etc etc its a small fee. Not to mention if we still had 4 rounds at the two (currently) main tracks you'd only be losing two weekends at each. If someone doesn't have money to head to the other tracks, they're probably not running at the top anyway.

(and yes, I eat nothing but ramen so i can get my trackdays)

Well I guess that answers that about the attitude of the racing up here.. $$$ = Winner.

Because this is the right attitude to have to get new racers involved...

I never said racing is cheap, but an extra $100 bucks per weekend adds up very quickly. And the fact is if "we" are racing at more tracks, that's even MORE money one more shell out at the other tracks if they wish to be competitive.

I know it's easy to just see the small picture and call it like you see it but..

Let's say we add two tracks that are (I'm using me as an example but I'm sure it can apply to lots)

300 and 450 miles away

Track A. 300 miles ~ $100 in fuel there and back if I'm hauling my bike and gear

Track B. 450 miles ~ $160ish in fuel there and back "" ""

Now not only do I have to spend that extra money on race weekends just to get there, if I have any wish to be competitive at all, that's a few track days a year I have to get down there for.

I have yet to look into the track day pricing in this part of the country but from what I've heard it's QUITE a bit more expensive then what we run down in AZ.

So that's an Extra $100 or $160 on top of an "extra" Track day fee to get some time at a track I don't know, then extra fuel feels on race weekends?

It's quite a bit more then just 50-$100 more in a yearly budget.

Don't get me wrong btw, I agree that more tracks in a series is a great idea!! I'm just trying to play devil's advocate for those who pay for this stuff by the skin of their teeth.

pscook · 07-08-2009, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Harp

Maybe...time will tell. I, for one, admit I'm spoiled. 20 minutes to PIR, 3.5 hours to ORP, 3 hours to PR...easy choice even with PR and ORP being more interesting tracks.

I hear you loud and clear. Granted, I have to drive through Seattle to get to the track or get home, but it's a 45-60 minute drive for Pacific and a 4 hour drive for Portland and a 5-6 hour drive for Spokane. I still feel uncomfortable about running at Portland due to not knowing about the differences and culture clashes. However, I am going to give it a try next year for sure, no matter what club is down there. If I can travel to Spokane, why not Portland?

I really wish that we could open a conversation between the clubs, but I can see the issues already being discussed here and they will only get louder. One club will definitely have to give more than it gets, it will not be a fair combination of assets by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention class structure and rule book changes.

ricksr6 · 07-08-2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

I'm not a huge fan of WERA's race day template.
4-6 lap races with just don't excited me.

Most of the races I have done over the last few years with WMRRA have been cut short to only be 6 laps anyway do I don't see how it would be any different!!!

Dr E · 07-08-2009, 01:02 PM

Even newer then Odin to the track scene but having come from a background of autocross in the SW... I have seen that joining groups can be a somewhat "painful" experience it does pay dividends with regards to expanding capabilities and expanding a competition pool. It also makes it easier to attract other related activities.

If this discussion is able to grab traction and their are hands that are needed to help. Please count me in as I will be more then willing to jump in and help whom ever.

Hypnotiq · 07-08-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ricksr6

Most of the races I have done over the last few years with WMRRA have been cut short to only be 6 laps anyway do I don't see how it would be any different!!!

Well if the 600 guys would stop fucking crashing into each other, it wouldn't be a problem.

the chemist · 07-08-2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

Well I guess that answers that about the attitude of the racing up here.. $$$ = Winner.

I never said racing is cheap, but an extra $100 bucks per weekend adds up very quickly

I know it's easy to just see the small picture and call it like you see it but..

Let's say we add two tracks that are (I'm using me as an example but I'm sure it can apply to lots)

300 and 450 miles away

Track A. 300 miles ~ $100 in fuel there and back if I'm hauling my bike and gear

Now not only do I have to spend that extra money on race weekends just to get there, if I have any wish to be competitive at all, that's a few track days a year I have to get down there for.

So that's an Extra $100 or $160 on top of an "extra" Track day fee to get some time at a track I don't know, then extra fuel feels on race weekends?

It's quite a bit more then just 50-$100 more in a yearly budget.

The closest track to me is 120 miles. I do about 15 trackdays a year, and I'm in college. Yea, the extra gas SUCKS, but its another cost of the track.

Its not just a regional thing that money=winning. Find ANYONE who hasn't poured thousands upon thousands of dollars into it that is winning, IN ANY CLUB OR NATIONAL LEVEL. You wont be able to find someone.

Nobody is forcing you to go to the weekends in Portland or Spokane. If you can't shell out an extra 100 bucks for a weekend or two then dont do it, and race only 3 weekends that year. If you're a top level guy...with all the money you've spent on your bike, etc its a nominal fee. If you're just racing for fun, sit out when you can't afford it...thats what I do. Yea, I realize it adds up. I spend more on fuel getting to/from the track than I do on tires in a year.

And during the school year, I live in Spokane. I did 6 trackdays during the school year....add that cost up

If you love something enough, you'll find a way to do it...

Originally Posted by cee-jay

I do have one request for NWRRA:

No pace cars, or running starts.

I think we should let DMG take this whole thing over

Originally Posted by cee-jay

Have you noticed how many more Eastside and Central folks are out now for trackdays and some racing?

Personally, I would only be able to compete in Divisions (PSCOOK), and not overall as I have a budget that allows 3 race weekends combined with 3-4 trackdays.

I agree that cutting Spokane would be a bad idea. I'd say stick with 2 weekends.

Again the question arises, you say you can only compete in divisions. How would it be any different for the club to run divisions or overall? Do you really expect to win a division with only three race weekends? All running divisions would do is let the fast guys stay at their home tracks and still win a plate. It would be no different than if we just gave out plates to the top combined finishers of OMRRA and WMRRA.

If you're not contending for a plate, it doesnt matter if its divisions or just one series. If you're contending for a plate having one series would show who is actually a good rider, and who is just good at home.

cee-jay · 07-08-2009, 04:25 PM

Ha!

When I said "compete" I meant it as "entered" or "participating".

Still a

-racer for now and probably for quite awhile!

Divisions or not, NWRRA, WMRRA, or OMRRA--I'm in regardless.

Having a Northwest Club, contingencies, plates, etc...and such probably would mean more to the fast guys. Their opinion (along with staffing) should really be what matters.

NWRRA would probably mean trying to get to Pacific or Portland once a year for my slow self. It's 6 hours to either track.

cj

the chemist · 07-08-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by cee-jay

When I said "compete" I meant it as "entered" or "participating".

Having a Northwest Club, contingencies, plates, etc...and such probably would mean more to the fast guys. Their opinion (along with staffing) should really be what matters.

NWRRA would probably mean trying to get to Pacific or Portland once a year for my slow self. It's 6 hours to either track.

So 2 weekends either way affects you in now way. I can see some people on the west side/portland not liking it because they lose a few weekends and have to drive to portland for a few...

Get that thought out of your head. You paid the same price they did to be a member. If you're slow or fast, new or old, everyone's opinion should matter the same. Sure, some of the fast guys probably know a bit more...but some of them will see it in a way that is only better for themselves as well. Just because we are new and slow doesn't mean our voice shouldn't count for anything. And

to anyone who thinks different.

And finally, at least that way you'd have a choice of which one to race at...and it would still count the same!

MadManx · 07-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

How many guys are chasing contingency from both clubs?

Ollie
Sully

and drum roll......

crickets.......

LOL! Thats hilarious

NoQuarter#121 · 07-13-2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by ricksr6

Most of the races I have done over the last few years with WMRRA have been cut short to only be 6 laps anyway do I don't see how it would be any different!!!

Most? which races specifically?

I think the 8 (EIGHT) lap races held sunday at Spokane were the first shortened heats in 2009. (not counting a red flagged and restarted FU race that was run for a full 10 laps total)

I cannot remember many shortened days in 2008.

Of course if there is major drama the heats get shortened.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

But to say MOST races are shortened is BS.

NoQuarter#121 · 07-13-2009, 01:52 PM

for the record:

WMRRA is NOT cutting races at Spokane.

That track is WAYYYY to much fun!

Haus · 07-13-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by cee-jay

Not sure how many are in the same boat as me, and how many race (or would race) all rounds.

Would staff (such as Liz, Wieands, Hallangers, etc..) be able to support this ?? WMRRA has some very professional staffing that would be sorely missed if they couldn't attend due to distance. (I am sure OMRRA has some equally dedicated staffing like this also).

cj

Got that right, the dedication of the wmrra staff is damn impressive.


07-07-2009, 06:03 PM	#2
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	Many times over many years. There is no where else in the Nation where 2 clubs are so close together competing for the same "racer" dollar. FYI, I'm President of WMRRA. I think it's a no brainer. But you would not beleive the flack I recieve when I talk about it. Many empires in both volunteer organizations. But I totally agree. NWRRA (Northwest Road Racing Association) Rounds at Pacific Portland Spokane ORP DUH!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-07-2009, 06:06 PM	#3
Mic Moderator Joined: May 2007 From: Bellevue, Wa. Blog Entries: 15 I Ride: with both cheeks hanging off each side.	At least with 2 clubs, there are 2 sets of contingency... lol But yah, would we still retain the same amount of total races a year (of the combined clubs), and contingency dates? Not that I will ever see contingency, but I can see where some of the top guys (from both clubs) may see that as not being a win win. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-07-2009, 07:04 PM	#6
Harp Endorsed Joined: Jan 2007 From: Beaverton, OR	Personally, I'd like to see WERA enter the area and run it like the business it should be. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-07-2009, 07:46 PM	#7
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	Far be it from me to have an opinion, and being that I literally JUST moved up here and have yet to get involved in ANY track based events, it seems to me that an organization that sticks to one or two tracks is more financially appetizing to someone who doesn't have all the money in the world that racing in a "larger" organization with more tracks in the line up requires. Then again as I've said I'm new to the area and while I have checked up on fees, I don't know the track crowed yet, heck maybe I'm the only one that eats ramen for a few weeks to get a new set of tires and pay race fees Eitherway, I've seen what happens when race "organizations" go from being club racing to a "Buisness" You might keep the guys who have an extra 30-40k a year to blow on an all out racing series, but the heard thins out VERY quickly. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-07-2009, 08:39 PM	#9
fastfoodfred Retired Joined: Mar 2006 From: spokane, wa I Ride: 2006 R6	WERA used to come to PIR. Going back far enough, so did other national groups. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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07-07-2009, 05:57 PM	#1
the chemist ducatiduane Joined: Feb 2007 From: Cheney I Ride: but not on the street.	Has the idea ever been brought up... Of combining OMRRA and WMRRA? I realize it would be a lot of work etc. But I was just wondering if its ever even been thought of? I mean, OMRRA only runs PIR (at least for now), and WMRRA only has two tracks. I think it would make for better competition. So, has it even been thought of? What are the downsides? Obviously traveling, but everyone whines about that...except the people who have to make a 2-5 hour journey every time they come to the track... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-07-2009, 11:14 PM	#12
Hypnotiq MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2005 From: Issaquah, WA I Ride: Race: 06GSXR750 - Street: 09 Eight Four Eight	Nope. Never been discussed. 1st... http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9301 Then... http://www.omrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2485 Going back through time... http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3287 There is more resistance from one region than there is from another. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 06:50 AM	#13
Motophotog Retired Joined: Jun 2006 From: Federal Way I Ride: KTM Supermoto, Plated YZ426 Supermoto, 74 Suzuki GT250 Hustler, Yamaha GT80	Read every post on those threads, and it sounds like it comes down to people are just too stuck on their own ideas and not open for change. I like what Allister stated about, everyone will need to come off their high horse, some people's "power" will be taken away, positions will no longer be needed, some positions will become available. Thats what happens when clubs/companies combine. Duh. Seems like this could be done a lot more easily than some are making it out to be. It also doesnt mean you HAVE to race every round. That also could mix up the points. Thirdly, did anyone notice that someone stated they got a calgary racing league or whatnot organized, and once it was approved, people had to drive 15 hrs to the 1 track? Wow. Thats dedication! Thats why it pisses me off when ORP is a great track and people say "its too far." Come on folks. 4hrs is not far for the sport if its once in a while. Pansies i tell ya. ORP included in the NWRRA or not, i think even starting slow for the first year (only PR and PIR) and then the next year add in 1 spokane date, and the third year include 1 ORP date. JUST to get the ball rolling. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 10:50 AM	#23
odin544 Superbiker Joined: Apr 2007 From: Kennewick, Washington I Ride: '08 Ducati 848 street , '03 R6 track bike	A NWRRA would be awesome. I've wondered to myself why it hasn't been done already. As far as the tracks being too far away? Give me a break. No one is forced to drive to the next race. People take a race weekend off all the time for financial reasons. And as stated those are the guys who are NOT at the top of the points standings. So whats it matter? They are out to have fun. Not out to win money. I haven't even started racing yet. This weekend will be my first race. And this is a complete no brainer to me. But I have seen from several racers how the feel "their track" is much better and wouldn't dare come to another track. "it's just not safe". pfhh whatever. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 10:56 AM	#24
cee-jay sctnabt Joined: Mar 2006 From: Genesee, Idaho I Ride: '05 Kaw Z750	I do have one request for NWRRA: No pace cars, or running starts. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 11:09 AM	#25
Hypnotiq MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2005 From: Issaquah, WA I Ride: Race: 06GSXR750 - Street: 09 Eight Four Eight	The too far away comments crack me up. Do you guys even realize how far people have to travel in some of the other regions of the country to race. We're beyond spoiled here... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 11:31 AM	#27
Hypnotiq MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2005 From: Issaquah, WA I Ride: Race: 06GSXR750 - Street: 09 Eight Four Eight	With the economy the way it is, thats expected. When the economy turns around, so will that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 01:02 PM	#32
Dr E WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Oct 2008 From: Dry Shiddies I Ride: 2008 Hayabusa, 2005 Hayabusa, 2000 GSXR 750 Track Bike	Even newer then Odin to the track scene but having come from a background of autocross in the SW... I have seen that joining groups can be a somewhat "painful" experience it does pay dividends with regards to expanding capabilities and expanding a competition pool. It also makes it easier to attract other related activities. If this discussion is able to grab traction and their are hands that are needed to help. Please count me in as I will be more then willing to jump in and help whom ever. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-08-2009, 04:25 PM	#35
cee-jay sctnabt Joined: Mar 2006 From: Genesee, Idaho I Ride: '05 Kaw Z750	Ha! When I said "compete" I meant it as "entered" or "participating". Still a -racer for now and probably for quite awhile! Divisions or not, NWRRA, WMRRA, or OMRRA--I'm in regardless. Having a Northwest Club, contingencies, plates, etc...and such probably would mean more to the fast guys. Their opinion (along with staffing) should really be what matters. NWRRA would probably mean trying to get to Pacific or Portland once a year for my slow self. It's 6 hours to either track. cj __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by cee-jay; 07-08-2009 at 05:37 PM..


07-13-2009, 01:52 PM	#39
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	for the record: WMRRA is NOT cutting races at Spokane. That track is WAYYYY to much fun! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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