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skinny_punk · 07-12-2009, 09:37 PM

I was wondering if running race fuel in my street bike on track days would be a benefit or a waste of money.

Also, would I need to run a hotter spark plug or make any changes to fuel mapping if I do run race fuel?

Where do most of you get your race fuel from and which brand do you prefer?

Nefarious · 07-12-2009, 09:42 PM

Race fuel is absolutely fucking great...

If you're mapped for it, and are already riding fast enough that you need that last little boost.

Otherwise dollar per second it is not a very wise investment, and I absolutely wouldn't waste my money on race fuel for a track day. If you get into racing, and actually become competitive.. THEN start looking into race fuel.

Save your money and go to a track school, it'll take more time off your laps then overpriced go juice will.

skinny_punk · 07-12-2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Nefarious

Race fuel is absolutely fucking great...

If you're mapped for it, and are already riding fast enough that you need that last little boost.

Otherwise dollar per second it is not a very wise investment, and I absolutely wouldn't waste my money on race fuel for a track day. If you get into racing, and actually become competitive.. THEN start looking into race fuel.

Save your money and go to a track school, it'll take more time off your laps then overpriced go juice will.

Thanks for the info. It makes sense, I did the Sullivan track day on Friday, maybe next time I'll do his school as well. Late Apex and MinerB helped me out alot at the Inland speed track day I attended.

I think I need to have a few more of you racers help me to see what I am doing wrong, or where I need improvement and work on those things. I was way faster this time out and my confidence in my machine and my ability to move around on the bike with my prosthetic leg is getting better as well.

Nefarious · 07-12-2009, 10:15 PM

Please don't put me in the same category as some of these guys here, I'm a backstop compared to most of the racers here.

I only know this because I've asked the EXACT same question before!

fastfoodfred · 07-12-2009, 10:52 PM

I have noticed a bit of improvement with a 50/50 race fuel mix.

I have also not bothered to buy race fuel for over 10 years for the same reason mentioned above. I still need to become a better rider, and fuel won't do that for me.

I like doing consecutive trackdays if I can. The first day to ride and screw up, then sleep on it, and another one to make things right. The brain is the single most important part of riding. Far more important than any part or fuel. The 2nd most important part of going faster is the chassis. Quantity of power is actually pretty far down the list. Quality of power is toward the top.

tophyr · 07-13-2009, 12:19 AM

Waste of money - and I'm the guy who sells it.

R110 can be beneficial simply for the health of your engine - I run it cut 50% with pump to make a cleaner, stabler 100-octane fuel, which can help prevent damage when running your motor at full power for long periods (for example, at power tracks such as PIR or SCMP). It won't add any power to your motor, however - high-octane fuel does not add power on its own.

Outlaw and Pro v.1 definitely help a lot, but until you're really scratching for tenths of a second, you'll benefit more from tires and track time.

Lynk · 07-13-2009, 12:51 AM

You can run oxygenated fuels for additional power; however, it is expensive. Think $25 per gallon for MR10. The aforementioned will run on stock mapping, as long as the bike will accept 87 motor-octane and has an aftermarket pipe. MR10 claims up to 10% added power over pump fuels; however, the lead will clog a catalytic converter.

A less expensive alternative is U4.2 fuel, also from VP Racing Fuels. Apparently you can see Chris for R-Tech.

Jeffytune · 07-13-2009, 12:54 AM

It's all about Octane.
Octane rating are quite misunderstood by the general public, some think it is a power rating of the fuel.

Nothing could be father from the truth. Octane is the rating of the flash point of the fuel itself, the higher the rating, the more temperature it take to burn the fuel.
the flashpoint is the temperature the fuel will ignite on it's own.
High compression engines need higher octane to prevent pre-ignition and or pinging.
The truth be told, regular 87 pump gas has more BTU power in it then 92 premium does.
It simply can not handle the cylinder temperatures of a high compression engine without pinging.

More then likely, if you take your street compressioned bike onto a track ASSUMING you do not have pinging now, you will run faster with the 92 then a 110 fuel.

With that said, all pump gas these days is 90% gas, 10% alcohol, if there is a 92 100% gas race fuel, then that would be what I would go for.

Lynk · 07-13-2009, 01:21 AM

FYI, motor octane (MON) and pump rating ([MON+RON]/2) are not the same. The MR10 that I mentioned has a MON of 86.1; however, if sold at the pump, it would be labelled as 96 octane. MON is the important figure, yet it isn't really stated by the manufacturer of the bike.

Read more about RON versus MON here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

gilberjj · 07-13-2009, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lynk

You can run oxygenated fuels for additional power; however, it is expensive. Think $25 per gallon for MR10. The aforementioned will run on stock mapping, as long as the bike will accept 87 motor-octane and has an aftermarket pipe. MR10 claims up to 10% added power over pump fuels; however, the lead will clog a catalytic converter.

A less expensive alternative is U4.2 fuel, also from VP Racing Fuels. Apparently you can see Chris for R-Tech.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

zx14s can pick up huge mph (2-3 mph in the 1/4 mile) from just using VP Racing MR9. It is a low octane oxygenated fuel that makes an HONEST 5-6 hp over 87 octane pump gas. I ran u4.2 and noticed a difference at the track.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Don't leave mr9 in your fuel tank. It WILL ruin your fuel pump if you leave it in for extended periods of time.

tophyr · 07-13-2009, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lynk

FYI, motor octane (MON) and pump rating ([MON+RON]/2) are not the same. The MR10 that I mentioned has a MON of 86.1; however, if sold at the pump, it would be labelled as 96 octane. MON is the important figure, yet it isn't really stated by the manufacturer of the bike.

Read more about RON versus MON here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

Where did you get your numbers? I know the MR- series fuels have MON ratings of around 86-87 but I can't quite bring myself to see them having RON ratings of 116+. Typically MON and RON only vary by 4-5 points, not 20 points.

Originally Posted by gilberjj

I ran u4.2 and noticed a difference at the track.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Don't leave mr9 in your fuel tank. It WILL ruin your fuel pump if you leave it in for extended periods of time.

Be careful of simply putting dropping in U4, U4.2, or Outlaw into your tank without changing your mapping. These fuels make their extra power via oxidizing agents added to the fuel, giving the same net result as cramming more air into your engine. This is great if you tune for it, however the downside is that if you don't, your engine will run very dangerously lean. Many a motor has blown up due to running these fuels without proper setup - there is a reason R-Tech has a big "YOU MUST TUNE FOR THIS FUEL" warning on their Outlaw info page. I don't know if VP has a similar warning for the U4/4.2 line but the same requirements apply.

The way fuels like Pro v.1 (ie VP's MR line) add power is not through oxidizing agents but rather through higher-energy compounds in the fuel. Pro v.1 is formulated to burn nearly identically to gasoline (air/fuel-ratio-wise), just with more energy released per unit of fuel. It is a true "pour-and-go" fuel, no remapping required.

Re: the letting fuels sit in your tank bit, the VP fuels are notorious for gumming up injectors and having corrosive effects. This is easily counteracted however by just draining the fuel tank and pouring in some pump gas, then running the bike for a few minutes. I haven't heard of any such problems with the R-Tech fuels - I've left Pro v.1 in my bike for three months at one point and it started up immediately - though Outlaw may suffer from some of the same if left long enough due to the similar oxidizer ingredients.

tophyr · 07-13-2009, 02:28 AM

I will add also that it's my very strong opinion that it's worth erring on the high side where octane ratings are concerned; the power difference between 87-octane and 110-octane standard (non-oxy) fuels is measured in fractions of a percent.

When I mentioned above that I run a 50/50 mix of R-Tech's R110 and 93 pump gas, it's because those two mixed give a solid 100-octane fuel that I can be confident won't detonate when my motor is screaming down the straight at 16,000rpm. I began running this mix because I was noticing detonation damage on my pistons and combustion chamber faces after running straight 93.

Being the R-Tech guy aside, I wouldn't run MR9 or MR11 in my R6 even if it were given to me, simply because of the low octane rating. In a lower-revving or a lower-compression machine, MR9/11 would probably kick some serious ass, but not in a motor that pings occasionally on 93. Pro v.1 is 96 and is what I use during races.

MadManx · 07-13-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by gilberjj

EXACTLY!!!!!!

zx14s can pick up huge mph (2-3 mph in the 1/4 mile) from just using VP Racing MR9. It is a low octane oxygenated fuel that makes an HONEST 5-6 hp over 87 octane pump gas. I ran u4.2 and noticed a difference at the track.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Don't leave mr9 in your fuel tank. It WILL ruin your fuel pump if you leave it in for extended periods of time.

I used to use this additive with pump gas in my drag bike...
Went from 10.20 to consectutive 9.98-9.99. For real.

cobra525 · 07-13-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by skinny_punk

I was wondering if running race fuel in my street bike on track days would be a benefit or a waste of money.

Also, would I need to run a hotter spark plug or make any changes to fuel mapping if I do run race fuel?

Where do most of you get your race fuel from and which brand do you prefer?

I know this is a little OT, but The bike you ride will respond VERY well from suspention work. If you have not done it already, then save the $ you might have spent on race gas for the springy bits. Your bike will thank you for it. I promise.

theJrod · 07-13-2009, 10:10 AM

I'm thinking about giving some ProV1 a try at the next WMRRA round. I already have top-shelf suspension, best tires money can buy, blah blah, but stock motor. I don't have a problem passing people in the corners or on the brakes, but those damn R6s keep motoring by me on the straights.

So the idea is the 6% gain or so from ProV1 will help me in the straights. Any gain in laptimes is probably negligable, but maintaining a position or two would be worth it.

In the end, it's a relatively cheap way to gain about the same amount of power as a full exhaust system. But only temporarily - if you want that gain all the time, it's big money. You're better off saving up for suspension work and track time.

skinny_punk · 07-13-2009, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by cobra525

I know this is a little OT, but The bike you ride will respond VERY well from suspension work. If you have not done it already, then save the $ you might have spent on race gas for the springy bits. Your bike will thank you for it. I promise.

I have had Barry from GP North set me up at the track, I am running D211 GP's, and have my Ducati 848 working very well in comparison to my ability. I agree with all of you in that seat time on the track and picking the brains of those of you who will let me is going to be my best option.

I was just very curious as to why people run race fuel and if it was something I should consider. You guys have shed the light on that question very well for me, Thanks a bunch!

Haus · 07-13-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by skinny_punk

I was wondering if running race fuel in my street bike on track days would be a benefit or a waste of money.

Also, would I need to run a hotter spark plug or make any changes to fuel mapping if I do run race fuel?

Where do most of you get your race fuel from and which brand do you prefer?

The only thing it will benefit is the emptying of your wallet.

cobra525 · 07-13-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by skinny_punk

I have had Barry from GP North set me up at the track, I am running D211 GP's, and have my Ducati 848 working very well in comparison to my ability. I agree with all of you in that seat time on the track and picking the brains of those of you who will let me is going to be my best option.

I was just very curious as to why people run race fuel and if it was something I should consider. You guys have shed the light on that question very well for me, Thanks a bunch!

So in other words you have not had a revalve job or a dropin kit done as well as a proper rear shock? If your bike already has an Ohlins rear then you are money ahead. Believe me when I tell you That bike needs work. You WILL notice the difference no matter your abilities. I'm not trying to be an ass. By all means take all this info and run race gas if you want(hell I've been thinkin' about it too). I'm just trying to emphasize the importance of a good susp. on your particular bike.

Ryanthegreat1 · 07-13-2009, 12:42 PM

Dum dee dum... E85? 105 octane right out of the pump and less $$ than regular 87 gasoline.

You will have to tune for it. ~40% more fuel across the board. More timing can be counter productive.

Yes E85 has less BTU per unit than gasoline but you are burning nearly twice as much per unit of air.

tophyr · 07-13-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1

Dum dee dum... E85? 105 octane right out of the pump and less $$ than regular 87 gasoline.

You will have to tune for it. ~40% more fuel across the board. More timing can be counter productive.

Yes E85 has less BTU per unit than gasoline but you are burning nearly twice as much per unit of air.

Ethanol will destroy the seals in a fuel system that's not designed for it, and most systems (pumps + injectors) will be running at around peak capacity at about 40-50% fuel increase, which will overheat the components quickly. No motorcycle I know of has an E85-compatible fuel system.

If someone did install ethanol-compatible seals, and a computer/pump/injector set that could handle it, it'd be pretty badass. Methanol would then also work.

the chemist · 07-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by tophyr

:
Be careful of simply putting dropping in U4, U4.2, or Outlaw into your tank without changing your mapping. These fuels make their extra power via oxidizing agents added to the fuel, giving the same net result as cramming more air into your engine.

When the fuel is atomized the oxygens on the fuel compounds act exactly the same as O2 from the air. As chris said, if you dont tune for it, you end up running WAY lean. The ONLY way to correct that problem, is to tune for it.

Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1

Dum dee dum... E85? 105 octane right out of the pump and less $$ than regular 87 gasoline.

You will have to tune for it. ~40% more fuel across the board. More timing can be counter productive.

Yes E85 has less BTU per unit than gasoline but you are burning nearly twice as much per unit of air.

You're one of...'them'. Yes, it may be less money PER GALLON, but have you ever looked at the net costs of running each? Also, you would STILL have to remap for it, even if you did have a system that could work. You'd need larger injectors etc.

I havent looking into E85, but with straight EtOH, you can burn almost FOUR times the fuel. Ethanol has about half the BTU's as gasoline. The net result is a drastic increase in power...but at what cost? You're talking using like FOUR+ GALLONS of ethanol per race on the track? Not to mention the heat and again as chris said, the wear on all internal parts. If ethanol was the secret I'm sure a lot more top racers would be using it....

On a side note, I made a fuel additive that got me 13mpg more in my car on the first test. If anyone is interested in helping me test it out, send me a pm.

(yes, i am serious)

the chemist · 07-13-2009, 01:49 PM

So general consensus is no, you dont need it, and you're probably not fast enough to need it.

(I only put it that way because people like Daryll are running 30's without it)

Ryanthegreat1 · 07-13-2009, 01:52 PM

I have no problems with E85 in my bike..... I guess a carb is a bit simpler when it comes to giant increases in fuel flow.

But yes an injected bike would more than likely need bigger injectors.

Methanol would be a bad choice. It attacks aluminum.

the chemist · 07-13-2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1

Methanol would be a bad choice. It attacks aluminum.

Not to mention its slightly poisonous

NoQuarter#121 · 07-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by tophyr

Waste of money - and I'm the guy who sells it.

R110 can be beneficial simply for the health of your engine - I run it cut 50% with pump to make a cleaner, stabler 100-octane fuel, which can help prevent damage when running your motor at full power for long periods (for example, at power tracks such as PIR or SCMP). It won't add any power to your motor, however - high-octane fuel does not add power on its own.

Outlaw and Pro v.1 definitely help a lot, but until you're really scratching for tenths of a second, you'll benefit more from tires and track time.

Correct! I agree with Chris.

Pump gas for track days.

The only reason you would want to run race gas is for competition.
Even mid pack it's not really necessarry.

But if you start improving, you'll need every advantage possible, so for racing, YES, it can be necessary if you want to run up front.

track days? No way.

Lynk · 07-13-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by tophyr

Where did you get your numbers? I know the MR- series fuels have MON ratings of around 86-87 but I can't quite bring myself to see them having RON ratings of 116+. Typically MON and RON only vary by 4-5 points, not 20 points.

...

From VPRacing's website: http://www.vpracingfuels.com/spec_detail.asp?id=34

skinny_punk · 07-13-2009, 08:07 PM

Thanks a bunch for all of the input guys, it is much appreciated! And I totally agree cobra, as Barry and others have said that the 848s had less than capable suspensions installed to cut costs. I was informed that a new rear, ride height adjuster, and re valving and possibly new springs up front would benefit hugely. I think that is where I will focus my $ at this point as well as more track time.


07-12-2009, 09:42 PM	#2
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	Race fuel is absolutely fucking great... If you're mapped for it, and are already riding fast enough that you need that last little boost. Otherwise dollar per second it is not a very wise investment, and I absolutely wouldn't waste my money on race fuel for a track day. If you get into racing, and actually become competitive.. THEN start looking into race fuel. Save your money and go to a track school, it'll take more time off your laps then overpriced go juice will. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Nefarious; 07-12-2009 at 09:54 PM..


07-12-2009, 10:15 PM	#4
Nefarious Superbiker Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: 03 SV650 (Track) 03 SV1000S (Street)	Please don't put me in the same category as some of these guys here, I'm a backstop compared to most of the racers here. I only know this because I've asked the EXACT same question before! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-12-2009, 10:52 PM	#5
fastfoodfred Retired Joined: Mar 2006 From: spokane, wa I Ride: 2006 R6	I have noticed a bit of improvement with a 50/50 race fuel mix. I have also not bothered to buy race fuel for over 10 years for the same reason mentioned above. I still need to become a better rider, and fuel won't do that for me. I like doing consecutive trackdays if I can. The first day to ride and screw up, then sleep on it, and another one to make things right. The brain is the single most important part of riding. Far more important than any part or fuel. The 2nd most important part of going faster is the chassis. Quantity of power is actually pretty far down the list. Quality of power is toward the top. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 12:19 AM	#6
tophyr Forum Cripple Joined: Dec 2005 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: Monsters by Fuzzy	Waste of money - and I'm the guy who sells it. R110 can be beneficial simply for the health of your engine - I run it cut 50% with pump to make a cleaner, stabler 100-octane fuel, which can help prevent damage when running your motor at full power for long periods (for example, at power tracks such as PIR or SCMP). It won't add any power to your motor, however - high-octane fuel does not add power on its own. Outlaw and Pro v.1 definitely help a lot, but until you're really scratching for tenths of a second, you'll benefit more from tires and track time. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 12:51 AM	#7
Lynk Superbiker Joined: Dec 2005 From: Bellevue, WA I Ride: a 2006 H-D XL1200C, 2005 Suzuki DRZ-400SM, 1997 Kawa Ninja 500R, and 2003 Yamaha YZF-R6 (racebike).	You can run oxygenated fuels for additional power; however, it is expensive. Think $25 per gallon for MR10. The aforementioned will run on stock mapping, as long as the bike will accept 87 motor-octane and has an aftermarket pipe. MR10 claims up to 10% added power over pump fuels; however, the lead will clog a catalytic converter. A less expensive alternative is U4.2 fuel, also from VP Racing Fuels. Apparently you can see Chris for R-Tech. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Lynk; 07-13-2009 at 12:59 AM.. Reason: Spelling.

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07-12-2009, 09:37 PM	#1
skinny_punk One Legged Rocket Rider Joined: Dec 2005 From: Tri-Cities I Ride: A RED 2008 Ducati	Benefits of race fuel? I was wondering if running race fuel in my street bike on track days would be a benefit or a waste of money. Also, would I need to run a hotter spark plug or make any changes to fuel mapping if I do run race fuel? Where do most of you get your race fuel from and which brand do you prefer? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 12:54 AM	#8
Jeffytune Pit Crew Joined: Jul 2009 From: Beaverton I Ride: Harley FLHT	It's all about Octane. Octane rating are quite misunderstood by the general public, some think it is a power rating of the fuel. Nothing could be father from the truth. Octane is the rating of the flash point of the fuel itself, the higher the rating, the more temperature it take to burn the fuel. the flashpoint is the temperature the fuel will ignite on it's own. High compression engines need higher octane to prevent pre-ignition and or pinging. The truth be told, regular 87 pump gas has more BTU power in it then 92 premium does. It simply can not handle the cylinder temperatures of a high compression engine without pinging. More then likely, if you take your street compressioned bike onto a track ASSUMING you do not have pinging now, you will run faster with the 92 then a 110 fuel. With that said, all pump gas these days is 90% gas, 10% alcohol, if there is a 92 100% gas race fuel, then that would be what I would go for. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 01:21 AM	#9
Lynk Superbiker Joined: Dec 2005 From: Bellevue, WA I Ride: a 2006 H-D XL1200C, 2005 Suzuki DRZ-400SM, 1997 Kawa Ninja 500R, and 2003 Yamaha YZF-R6 (racebike).	FYI, motor octane (MON) and pump rating ([MON+RON]/2) are not the same. The MR10 that I mentioned has a MON of 86.1; however, if sold at the pump, it would be labelled as 96 octane. MON is the important figure, yet it isn't really stated by the manufacturer of the bike. Read more about RON versus MON here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 02:28 AM	#12
tophyr Forum Cripple Joined: Dec 2005 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: Monsters by Fuzzy	I will add also that it's my very strong opinion that it's worth erring on the high side where octane ratings are concerned; the power difference between 87-octane and 110-octane standard (non-oxy) fuels is measured in fractions of a percent. When I mentioned above that I run a 50/50 mix of R-Tech's R110 and 93 pump gas, it's because those two mixed give a solid 100-octane fuel that I can be confident won't detonate when my motor is screaming down the straight at 16,000rpm. I began running this mix because I was noticing detonation damage on my pistons and combustion chamber faces after running straight 93. Being the R-Tech guy aside, I wouldn't run MR9 or MR11 in my R6 even if it were given to me, simply because of the low octane rating. In a lower-revving or a lower-compression machine, MR9/11 would probably kick some serious ass, but not in a motor that pings occasionally on 93. Pro v.1 is 96 and is what I use during races. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by tophyr; 07-13-2009 at 09:33 PM..


07-13-2009, 10:10 AM	#15
theJrod Moderator Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer!	I'm thinking about giving some ProV1 a try at the next WMRRA round. I already have top-shelf suspension, best tires money can buy, blah blah, but stock motor. I don't have a problem passing people in the corners or on the brakes, but those damn R6s keep motoring by me on the straights. So the idea is the 6% gain or so from ProV1 will help me in the straights. Any gain in laptimes is probably negligable, but maintaining a position or two would be worth it. In the end, it's a relatively cheap way to gain about the same amount of power as a full exhaust system. But only temporarily - if you want that gain all the time, it's big money. You're better off saving up for suspension work and track time. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 12:42 PM	#19
Ryanthegreat1 Streetfighter Joined: Feb 2008 From: Olympia I Ride: XR650R	Dum dee dum... E85? 105 octane right out of the pump and less $$ than regular 87 gasoline. You will have to tune for it. ~40% more fuel across the board. More timing can be counter productive. Yes E85 has less BTU per unit than gasoline but you are burning nearly twice as much per unit of air. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 01:49 PM	#22
the chemist ducatiduane Joined: Feb 2007 From: Cheney I Ride: but not on the street.	So general consensus is no, you dont need it, and you're probably not fast enough to need it. (I only put it that way because people like Daryll are running 30's without it) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 01:52 PM	#23
Ryanthegreat1 Streetfighter Joined: Feb 2008 From: Olympia I Ride: XR650R	I have no problems with E85 in my bike..... I guess a carb is a bit simpler when it comes to giant increases in fuel flow. But yes an injected bike would more than likely need bigger injectors. Methanol would be a bad choice. It attacks aluminum. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


07-13-2009, 08:07 PM	#27
skinny_punk One Legged Rocket Rider Joined: Dec 2005 From: Tri-Cities I Ride: A RED 2008 Ducati	Thanks a bunch for all of the input guys, it is much appreciated! And I totally agree cobra, as Barry and others have said that the 848s had less than capable suspensions installed to cut costs. I was informed that a new rear, ride height adjuster, and re valving and possibly new springs up front would benefit hugely. I think that is where I will focus my $ at this point as well as more track time. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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