PNW Riders

xqsme · 09-08-2009, 09:50 PM

Nice and Sunny! Had a blast! A few pics that I took.

Sept 7 Monday

Sept 8

trayson · 09-09-2009, 12:25 AM

Great shots Ben, good to see you there. I can't wait to see more!

Paytheon · 09-09-2009, 06:07 AM

Nice shots Ben!

Soil · 09-09-2009, 08:57 AM

YOU ROCK!!!

ALMOST as much as ORP!

i LOVE coming around a turn and seeing you there! just incredible!

how did those shots come out of T2?? saw you there at the exit and was thinking those should be awesome! AND were you getting those wheelies over that ridge? (hope soo!)

have fun Ben and stay safe!
C

MikeyMotard · 09-09-2009, 09:54 AM

[QUOTE=Soil;1855267

how did those shots come out of T2?? saw you there at the exit and was thinking those should be awesome! AND were you getting those wheelies over that ridge? (hope soo!)

C[/QUOTE]

Wheelies!?!?!? OMG

Who was doing Wheelies!?!?!

Twisties4me · 09-09-2009, 10:56 AM

Man what a setting. Those shots look to good to be true. Thanks Ben. Awesome weekend!

Soil · 09-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by MikeyMotard

Wheelies!?!?!? OMG

Who was doing Wheelies!?!?!

shouldn't you be working?

oh what a weekend! MORE pics BEN!!!!

xqsme · 09-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Soil

oh what a weekend! MORE pics BEN!!!!

I'm back to my regular work. I will work on it tonight.

I'm still tired

All of you did a great job.

Lyestille · 09-09-2009, 11:21 AM

Nice pics,
Looks like too much fun

Paytheon · 09-09-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by MikeyMotard

Wheelies!?!?!? OMG

Who was doing Wheelies!?!?!

Did you get your clutch lever fixed for the Tuesday session?

trayson · 09-09-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Paytheon

Did you get your clutch lever fixed for the Tuesday session?

Yep, one of the guys in our group had a hydro clutch lever and I think Sax helped get it in... It wasn't "perfect", but very do-able from what I heard. Mike was railing all day Tuesday.

But I'm sure that since the rule was no "intentional" wheelies, that Clay & Mike never "intended" for their front wheels to come up!

trayson · 09-09-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by xqsme

I'm back to my regular work. I will work on it tonight.

I'm still tired

All of you did a great job.

It was great to be part of such a cool weekend. And I'm with ya on tired... Thankfully, I got back home & in bed WAY sooner than Clay sounds like he did... But if we wouldn't have been able to get Ed's truck unlocked after he left the keys inside in Biggs, it would have been a REALLY late night!!!

TheFactor · 09-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Amazing Ben , great shots !!!

Lucid Dreamer · 09-09-2009, 06:53 PM

Great shots as always Ben

Daves02r6 · 09-09-2009, 11:12 PM

Great pics Ben.. HOT DAMN Its great to see AMY on a track again .

MMAGuy1970 · 09-10-2009, 08:14 AM

Amazing shots Ben!

Motophotog · 09-10-2009, 09:15 AM

nice ben! I really like the first shot, interesting running the "wrong" way on the track

greg canright · 09-10-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

nice ben! I really like the first shot, interesting running the "wrong" way on the track

At ORP running clockwise is really the right way. The track flows better and is wicked fun. I had a great time and can't wait to go back. Thanks Tom and all the other folks at PSSR for hosting a great couple of days.

Nice shots Ben. Can't wait to see the rest of them.

Motophotog · 09-10-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by greg canright

At ORP running clockwise is really the right way. The track flows better and is wicked fun. I had a great time and can't wait to go back. Thanks Tom and all the other folks at PSSR for hosting a great couple of days.

Nice shots Ben. Can't wait to see the rest of them.

im in agreement. The photo appears to be counterclockwise, it would be turn 2, the dropping lefter.

trayson · 09-10-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

im in agreement. The photo appears to be counterclockwise, it would be turn 2, the dropping lefter.

We ran clockwise both days.

Is it possible that the pic was taken at turn #12? (or 13 on some maps)

It would be the one where you brake downhill before the sharp left (with the access road that's on the right hand side)?

I know for a fact that Ben was taking pictures at that turn at some point over the weekend, as I saw him there on the outside of the turn.

tarik · 09-10-2009, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by trayson

We ran clockwise both days.

Is it possible that the pic was taken at turn #12? (or 13 on some maps)

It would be the one where you brake downhill before the sharp left (with the access road that's on the right hand side)?

I know for a fact that Ben was taking pictures at that turn at some point over the weekend, as I saw him there on the outside of the turn.

I'm curious what corner this is now too. The weird thing is I don't remember patched seams (bottom right in the pic) in turn 3 or turn 13. It's possible this was going into the first corner of the halfpipe since I know that had patches? Not any other lefts that are this sharp.

Sure looks like 13 tho... maybe I'm wrong about the patch.

nuK · 09-10-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

im in agreement. The photo appears to be counterclockwise, it would be turn 2, the dropping lefter.

While the photo is actually T3 CW entering Pucker Factor, I can definitely see your point. It could very well be T2 CCW. Excellent observation!

trayson · 09-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by nuK

While the photo is actually T3 CW entering Pucker Factor, I can definitely see your point. It could very well be T2 CCW. Excellent observation!

T3.. Yeah, I can see that now... SO MANY TURNS!!!!!! It's no wonder why I STILL didn't have the basics of the track down even by part way through the 2nd day.

I guess that means I'll just have to come back, huh???

nuK · 09-10-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by trayson

T3.. Yeah, I can see that now... SO MANY TURNS!!!!!! It's no wonder why I STILL didn't have the basics of the track down even by part way through the 2nd day.

I guess that means I'll just have to come back, huh???

That would be a resounding YES! Now, can you name all the pnwriders in the same shot?

xqsme · 09-10-2009, 03:29 PM

That's T3. The "x" shows where I was shooting.

Originally Posted by tarik

I'm curious what corner this is now too. The weird thing is I don't remember patched seams (bottom right in the pic) in turn 3 or turn 13. It's possible this was going into the first corner of the halfpipe since I know that had patches? Not any other lefts that are this sharp.

Sure looks like 13 tho... maybe I'm wrong about the patch.

Tarik here's a better view of T3 with patched seams.

trayson · 09-10-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by nuK

That would be a resounding YES! Now, can you name all the pnwriders in the same shot?

I haven't even MET all the PNW riders! In fact, the only one I can pick out for sure in that first shot is Sax. I think it's safe to say that I only met people that came through our pit area or into Phil's motorhome. And riding in lowly "C" meant that I didn't ride with all that many of 'em either. But I kept it upright the whole weekend

, which is more than I can say for last time @ PIR.

Twisties4me · 09-10-2009, 04:07 PM

I am in the pic, was in the motor home for a little bit and rode in all the c sessions too.

tarik · 09-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by trayson

T3.. Yeah, I can see that now... SO MANY TURNS!!!!!! It's no wonder why I STILL didn't have the basics of the track down even by part way through the 2nd day.

I guess that means I'll just have to come back, huh???

Same here, glad we didn't run CCW. I'd have probably ended up going the wrong way somewhere

trayson · 09-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Twisties4me

I am in the pic, was in the motor home for a little bit and rode in all the c sessions too.

Then maybe I did meet ya.

Soil · 09-10-2009, 09:25 PM

Can we talk?

Starting a new thread for this discussion - so don't reply to this in this thread, find the other one!

after MANY discussions there are a few key turns that need to be pointed out in this 'safer' and 'flow-ier' CW or CCW discussion...

first, let's establish some definitions... since PSSR is the only map I have seen with 16 turns, so let's use the majority rules thing on that subject - ORP has 15 turns according to their website layout, please refer to that for the following discussion

as always safety first:

T12... CW - if you came in too hot and couldn't stop and decided to run off, what would happen? THAT jersey barrier would stop you from falling off the 20 plus foot drop off... unless you ejected over the jersey barrier - that would hurt.

T3... CW - Barn (worst case), ouch.

T7... CW - imagine coming down that hill from T6, before you tip into T7, and your brakes fail... where will you run off? another ouch.

now - to keep things simple, gonna use the same turn numbers for the same turns... but switch the directions.

So - other direction, what's the 'unsafe' turns?

none. Those mentioned above will not produce those same increased risks... Think through all the turns - ALL of them are 'safer' from a "you have no brakes" kind of run off - or a typical low side situation...

Next - flow...

the coolest part of the track is the half pipe. So - going CW it is a 'flat line' from T9 to T10 while the 'right line' thru CCW is to late apex both those turns. THAT causes more 'swooping', more flowing than you can imagine if you haven't done it.

ADD to that - the 'entrance/exit' that T8 (CW) is... how many folks 'enjoy' entering the pipe CW? now, flip it... imagine the natural and correct drive you would have leaving UP that hill instead of driving down it and trying to mid apex T9.

SO - why then does everyone say CCW doesn't flow? CCW isn't as safe????

T11 and T13.

Taking T11 and 13 (15 turn track) CW is GREAT! reverse them and they are pretty terrifying! T3 is a bit of a blind left with a little downhill... well, T11 and 13 CCW are HORRIFYINGLY blind, downhill and have some serious camber challenges.

T8 (CCW) Leaving the pipe, driving up that hill and flipping it back down into that trough is 'itchy'... BUT - a LOT less 'itchy' than driving down into the pipe...

SO - T11 and 13 alone do increase the chance of a get off if you don't ride them properly... BUT the run off is still safe and since no matter what, folks are going to go down both ways... learning to ride those right aint any tuffer than learning T12 CW!

OH - look at T12 going CCW - A LOT safer and more fun!

ONE more 'safer' thing - track entrance and exit - think about it... NUFF said there.

Soooo... I'm a very open minded dude with a tad bit of 'eager to learn' in me - so please, anyone that can explain why they think CW is better or safer than CCW, enlighten me?

and I am NOT afraid of saying - "I was wrong" !!!! been wrong a LOT, pretty used to it, ask anybody!

Motophotog · 09-11-2009, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Soil

Can we talk?

Starting a new thread for this discussion - so don't reply to this in this thread, find the other one!

after MANY discussions there are a few key turns that need to be pointed out in this 'safer' and 'flow-ier' CW or CCW discussion...

first, let's establish some definitions... since PSSR is the only map I have seen with 16 turns, so let's use the majority rules thing on that subject - ORP has 15 turns according to their website layout, please refer to that for the following discussion

as always safety first:

T12... CW - if you came in too hot and couldn't stop and decided to run off, what would happen? THAT jersey barrier would stop you from falling off the 20 plus foot drop off... unless you ejected over the jersey barrier - that would hurt.

T3... CW - Barn (worst case), ouch.

T7... CW - imagine coming down that hill from T6, before you tip into T7, and your brakes fail... where will you run off? another ouch.

now - to keep things simple, gonna use the same turn numbers for the same turns... but switch the directions.

So - other direction, what's the 'unsafe' turns?

none. Those mentioned above will not produce those same increased risks... Think through all the turns - ALL of them are 'safer' from a "you have no brakes" kind of run off - or a typical low side situation...

Next - flow...

the coolest part of the track is the half pipe. So - going CW it is a 'flat line' from T9 to T10 while the 'right line' thru CCW is to late apex both those turns. THAT causes more 'swooping', more flowing than you can imagine if you haven't done it.

ADD to that - the 'entrance/exit' that T8 (CW) is... how many folks 'enjoy' entering the pipe CW? now, flip it... imagine the natural and correct drive you would have leaving UP that hill instead of driving down it and trying to mid apex T9.

SO - why then does everyone say CCW doesn't flow? CCW isn't as safe????

T11 and T13.

Taking T11 and 13 (15 turn track) CW is GREAT! reverse them and they are pretty terrifying! T3 is a bit of a blind left with a little downhill... well, T11 and 13 CCW are HORRIFYINGLY blind, downhill and have some serious camber challenges.

T8 (CCW) Leaving the pipe, driving up that hill and flipping it back down into that trough is 'itchy'... BUT - a LOT less 'itchy' than driving down into the pipe...

SO - T11 and 13 alone do increase the chance of a get off if you don't ride them properly... BUT the run off is still safe and since no matter what, folks are going to go down both ways... learning to ride those right aint any tuffer than learning T12 CW!

OH - look at T12 going CCW - A LOT safer and more fun!

ONE more 'safer' thing - track entrance and exit - think about it... NUFF said there.

Soooo... I'm a very open minded dude with a tad bit of 'eager to learn' in me - so please, anyone that can explain why they think CW is better or safer than CCW, enlighten me?

and I am NOT afraid of saying - "I was wrong" !!!! been wrong a LOT, pretty used to it, ask anybody!

holy thread jack............ post this somewhere else.

Soil · 09-11-2009, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Motophotog

holy thread jack............ post this somewhere else.

read the second sentence...

jeez.

(just for the record -- this prompted me, so again, refer to my signature

):

Originally Posted by greg canright

At ORP running clockwise is really the right way. The track flows better and is wicked fun. I had a great time and can't wait to go back.

Paytheon · 09-11-2009, 08:48 AM

Nice read on ORP CW versus CCW Clay.

GPaddict · 09-12-2009, 04:33 PM

I dont have any pic's on the track but this is how we got to ORP from Seattle

and yes this is mini van!

MovingViolation · 09-12-2009, 07:53 PM

there is more than one way to skin a cat

DGA · 09-13-2009, 08:38 AM

Holy shit! I never thought a mini van was in my future, till I saw that.

MovingViolation · 10-29-2009, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by GPaddict

I dont have any pic's on the track but this is how we got to ORP from Seattle

looking back at that weekend

i miss summer already

first track i'm hitting up next year will be ORP

MovingViolation · 10-29-2009, 11:25 PM

and btw, can anyone tell me why my rear tire is like that? am i running too low on air or is it because of the load and gravity working on it?


09-09-2009, 12:25 AM	#2
trayson Pit Crew Joined: May 2008 From: Vancouver WA I Ride: 2005 Kawi ZX-6R 636	Great shots Ben, good to see you there. I can't wait to see more! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 06:07 AM	#3
Paytheon Pit Crew Joined: Oct 2007 From: Hillsboro, OR I Ride: 07 YZF-R6 Candy Red	Nice shots Ben! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 08:57 AM	#4
Soil Zone Head Joined: Mar 2008 From: Beaverton, OR - CLAY I Ride: K6 GSXR 1K	Ben! YOU ROCK!!! ALMOST as much as ORP! i LOVE coming around a turn and seeing you there! just incredible! how did those shots come out of T2?? saw you there at the exit and was thinking those should be awesome! AND were you getting those wheelies over that ridge? (hope soo!) have fun Ben and stay safe! C __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 09:54 AM	#5
MikeyMotard Endorsed Joined: Jun 2009 From: Port Townsend, WA & Oregon City, OR I Ride: KTM 950 SM, '07 GSXR1k on the track	[QUOTE=Soil;1855267 how did those shots come out of T2?? saw you there at the exit and was thinking those should be awesome! AND were you getting those wheelies over that ridge? (hope soo!) C[/QUOTE] Wheelies!?!?!? OMG Who was doing Wheelies!?!?! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 10:56 AM	#6
Twisties4me Zone Head Joined: Aug 2006 From: Banks, Or. I Ride: U ride?	Man what a setting. Those shots look to good to be true. Thanks Ben. Awesome weekend! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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09-08-2009, 09:50 PM	#1
xqsme WMRRA Qualifier Joined: May 2007 From: NE Portland, OR (gresham/troutdale) I Ride: Triumph Daytona 675, 08 BMW g650 xmoto	PSSR Sept 7-8 at ORP Pics Nice and Sunny! Had a blast! A few pics that I took. Sept 7 Monday Sept 8 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by xqsme; 09-08-2009 at 09:56 PM..


09-09-2009, 11:21 AM	#9
Lyestille Zone Head Joined: Mar 2008 From: tacoma I Ride: Yamaha Bitches!!!!	Nice pics, Looks like too much fun __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 06:46 PM	#13
TheFactor Superbiker Joined: Jul 2008 From: Hilllsboro,Or Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 2006 CBR 1000 rr	Amazing Ben , great shots !!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 06:53 PM	#14
Lucid Dreamer Pit Crew Joined: May 2009 From: Camas I Ride: a Street Triple R	Great shots as always Ben __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#15
Daves02r6 Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2007 From: Tigard I Ride: 02 R6	Great pics Ben.. HOT DAMN Its great to see AMY on a track again . __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2009, 08:14 AM	#16
MMAGuy1970 Zone Head Joined: Apr 2007 From: Out of your mind I Ride: like it’s gonna rain tomorrow.	Amazing shots Ben! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2009, 09:15 AM	#17
Motophotog Retired Joined: Jun 2006 From: Federal Way I Ride: KTM Supermoto, Plated YZ426 Supermoto, 74 Suzuki GT250 Hustler, Yamaha GT80	nice ben! I really like the first shot, interesting running the "wrong" way on the track __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2009, 04:07 PM	#27
Twisties4me Zone Head Joined: Aug 2006 From: Banks, Or. I Ride: U ride?	I am in the pic, was in the motor home for a little bit and rode in all the c sessions too. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-10-2009, 09:25 PM	#30
Soil Zone Head Joined: Mar 2008 From: Beaverton, OR - CLAY I Ride: K6 GSXR 1K	As Joan Rivers has said time and time again.... Can we talk? Starting a new thread for this discussion - so don't reply to this in this thread, find the other one! after MANY discussions there are a few key turns that need to be pointed out in this 'safer' and 'flow-ier' CW or CCW discussion... first, let's establish some definitions... since PSSR is the only map I have seen with 16 turns, so let's use the majority rules thing on that subject - ORP has 15 turns according to their website layout, please refer to that for the following discussion as always safety first: T12... CW - if you came in too hot and couldn't stop and decided to run off, what would happen? THAT jersey barrier would stop you from falling off the 20 plus foot drop off... unless you ejected over the jersey barrier - that would hurt. T3... CW - Barn (worst case), ouch. T7... CW - imagine coming down that hill from T6, before you tip into T7, and your brakes fail... where will you run off? another ouch. now - to keep things simple, gonna use the same turn numbers for the same turns... but switch the directions. So - other direction, what's the 'unsafe' turns? none. Those mentioned above will not produce those same increased risks... Think through all the turns - ALL of them are 'safer' from a "you have no brakes" kind of run off - or a typical low side situation... Next - flow... the coolest part of the track is the half pipe. So - going CW it is a 'flat line' from T9 to T10 while the 'right line' thru CCW is to late apex both those turns. THAT causes more 'swooping', more flowing than you can imagine if you haven't done it. ADD to that - the 'entrance/exit' that T8 (CW) is... how many folks 'enjoy' entering the pipe CW? now, flip it... imagine the natural and correct drive you would have leaving UP that hill instead of driving down it and trying to mid apex T9. SO - why then does everyone say CCW doesn't flow? CCW isn't as safe???? T11 and T13. Taking T11 and 13 (15 turn track) CW is GREAT! reverse them and they are pretty terrifying! T3 is a bit of a blind left with a little downhill... well, T11 and 13 CCW are HORRIFYINGLY blind, downhill and have some serious camber challenges. T8 (CCW) Leaving the pipe, driving up that hill and flipping it back down into that trough is 'itchy'... BUT - a LOT less 'itchy' than driving down into the pipe... SO - T11 and 13 alone do increase the chance of a get off if you don't ride them properly... BUT the run off is still safe and since no matter what, folks are going to go down both ways... learning to ride those right aint any tuffer than learning T12 CW! OH - look at T12 going CCW - A LOT safer and more fun! ONE more 'safer' thing - track entrance and exit - think about it... NUFF said there. Soooo... I'm a very open minded dude with a tad bit of 'eager to learn' in me - so please, anyone that can explain why they think CW is better or safer than CCW, enlighten me? and I am NOT afraid of saying - "I was wrong" !!!! been wrong a LOT, pretty used to it, ask anybody! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-11-2009, 08:48 AM	#33
Paytheon Pit Crew Joined: Oct 2007 From: Hillsboro, OR I Ride: 07 YZF-R6 Candy Red	Nice read on ORP CW versus CCW Clay. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-12-2009, 04:33 PM	#34
GPaddict Training Wheels Joined: May 2008 From: Bellevue I Ride: 07' Yamaha	I dont have any pic's on the track but this is how we got to ORP from Seattle and yes this is mini van! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-12-2009, 07:53 PM	#35
MovingViolation WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Auburn I Ride: ZZR600	there is more than one way to skin a cat __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2009, 08:38 AM	#36
DGA Superbiker Joined: Jun 2007 From: Portland, Oregon I Ride: naked	Holy shit! I never thought a mini van was in my future, till I saw that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-29-2009, 11:25 PM	#38
MovingViolation WMRRA Qualifier Joined: Aug 2008 From: Auburn I Ride: ZZR600	and btw, can anyone tell me why my rear tire is like that? am i running too low on air or is it because of the load and gravity working on it? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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