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richardlpalmer · 09-20-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by fastfoodfred

I really am starting to hope Rossi goes to Ducati, so I can learn to hate on him as you have, Master. [bows like OB1 to a Saudi Prince]

You are correct about Honda rotting from the inside. Their arrogance has lost many riders and the Championships they would have brought to their stables, but they choose to make the motorcycle the most important part of their team, instead. It is the only part of the equation they can completely control.

I just don't ever see him moving to Ducati. From what I've read Ducati is considerably worse than Honda when it comes to "machine over rider".

matt3719 · 09-20-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by richardlpalmer

I just don't ever see him moving to Ducati. From what I've read Ducati is considerably worse than Honda when it comes to "machine over rider".

its stoner over rider. the bikes only good for him and everyone knows it wont change for anybody else. even them changing to that carbon swingarm, melandri hated it but since stoner was all for it they went with it. melandri has alot of potential it sucks hes been thrown around like a kid these years.

Haus · 09-20-2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by theJrod

(and no doubt that he negotiated getting full factory support on the satellite team).

I hope so.

Colin said in an interview he wasn't sure how far behind the current Tech3 bikes are from the two factory worx bikes. He guessed 95%, but he wasn't sure exactly and that it likely varies up and down through out the season. This was from an interview on WindTunnel.

As far as the "best bike", curious to see how Stoner does upon his return. They've been tweaking that Duc a lot in his absence.

matt3719 · 09-21-2009, 07:20 AM

I'm sure ducati has the records of just how stoner had it before he left? Not like they completely introduced a new bike, I'm sure they'll test him on the "changes" made for Hayden and if he wrecks or is slower they'll change them all back and Hayden will slow back down again lol

Jet City Racer · 09-21-2009, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by SiCC

this is a bad move for spies. he's had one year of track exp in wsbk, the top gp guys know all the track extremely well. he should stay in wsbk one more year just for the track time.

For most people I would agree to that, but Spies has been on pole AND set lap records at almost every track this year that he's never even seen before Friday.

Face it, the kid is a machine.

Besides he learns tracks by what animal they represent.

the chemist · 09-21-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by matt3719

and Hayden will slow back down again lol

You do realize that set ups are completely different on different sides of the box right? If Stoner gets Hayden's info and doesn't like it, it doesn't mean Hayden has to ride Stoner's set up...

Originally Posted by Lone Rider

We'll see about Stoner. He was dialed to the Duc his championship year. Not so well after it.He was a top 3 before mystery illness. We'll see

Yamaha will give as much help as they can if He's fighting for wins and podium.

A) Stoner has been at the top for a long time, not just when he won the championship. Go over the records, even when he was on the Honda, if he wasn't crashing he was consistently finishing top 7. Thats on a Satellite bike, with the second rate Michelins.

B) Why would a factory help someone beat their own riders? If Spies can beat Rossi and Lorenzo on inferior equipment (not saying he will, saying IF) it makes the whole Factory team look bad. It would show they dont have the best riders, that they haven't been doing a good job setting the bikes up, etc. When was the last time a Privateer team won a race? How about a championship. Point is, I HIGHLY doubt Spies gets full factory support...he might get stuff a few races late, but he wont be on the identical bikes as Valentino and Lorenzo.

Originally Posted by fastfoodfred

Stoner had his 15 minutes of fame and it is now over, like Hayden. The planets aligned with the stars, and enough other people had off years that they accidentally fell onto the top of the pile.

Fred, you crack me up. Stoner is a LOT better than 14 other riders on the grid, better than one, and just as good as two. Look at his stats (as I mentioned above). When he doesn't crash, he finishes well.

NoQuarter#121 · 09-21-2009, 06:04 PM

Alot of Stoners Honda crashes were rumoured to be due to inferior spec tires.

Ducati obviously saw something they liked.

The truth of the Duc is getting out, sounds like the bike is not consistant throughout the the race, Stoner is able to push through the changes, other riders struggle more trusting the chassis.

Ducati reports that they think they have isolated some of the problem, and Nicky agrees.

I have been impressed by Ben at WSBK. I'm not a fan, but there is little doubt in my mind he is the best rider on the grid. As was Troy Bayliss or Colin Edwards or Carl Fogarty in their times.

I do not think he is going to dominate Moto GP. I doubt he can even win a race on any machinery... Its a totally different Paddock. Mabye I'm wrong, but I will bet cash money I'm not.

Don't think privateers have ever won a 4 stroke GP, but the sattelite Hondas have won several races. Gibernau, Melandri, Biaggi. (thats all I can think of off the top of my head)

NoQuarter#121 · 09-21-2009, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by richardlpalmer

I just don't ever see him moving to Ducati. From what I've read Ducati is considerably worse than Honda when it comes to "machine over rider".

Rossi is pissed that Yamaha kept Lorenzo.

He has stated that publically. Also for the first time, he is hinting that he might NOT stay with Yamaha until he retires.

He feels (justifiably) that He has developed the M1 and doesn't like doing all the work so his closest competitor can benifit.

It would sure be cool to see him do it AGAIN on the Ducati, but making that change now seems unwise.

Yamaha is notoriously generous with their retired champions.

NoQuarter#121 · 09-21-2009, 06:09 PM

I have been getting all this info from Cycle News, the best racing publication out there. 50 issues a year.

matt3719 · 09-21-2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

I have been getting all this info from Cycle News, the best racing publication out there. 50 issues a year.

bud i dont even know how to say that i would check all the sources you read from that crap publication. see what henny ray abrams is all about and your view might change just a little bit. ill explain if you dont know.

NoQuarter#121 · 09-21-2009, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by matt3719

bud i dont even know how to say that i would check all the sources you read from that crap publication. see what henny ray abrams is all about and your view might change just a little bit. ill explain if you dont know.

I haven't noticed them to be to far off, and they are about 3 months ahead of the other written pub's.

Their race info is spot on, I love Micheal Scotts column, I like alot of what they publish.

What is HRA all about?

matt3719 · 09-21-2009, 07:14 PM

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=32013

hes been after the money by whoever will pay him under the table for a few years is what seems to always come up. i trust roadracing world before anything else and im sure thats why my views are biased towards this but ive always seen great things written and documented from ulrich and a few others at road racing world.

NoQuarter#121 · 09-21-2009, 07:30 PM

Interesting...

I'm not a huge fan of Abrams, but I do like his constant thrashing of the DMG Goat Rodeo Crew.

RRW is also a good pub, just about 3 months behind...

John Ulrich, cough, cough, has a reputation himself, although my few personal dealings with him have been completely professional.

I am concerned about his seemingly acceptance of DMG.

Ulrich is the real deal, he has raced, he knows whats up, so I have been surprised by the inability of RRW to call a pig a pig. (regarding the DMG joke)

Ulrich is on the BoD of AMA, so he is partly responsible for the current state of AMA Racing... And it is a sad sad state... But you will find only a few minor articles critiscizing the Goat Rodeo Clowns DMG.

richardlpalmer · 09-21-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

Rossi is pissed that Yamaha kept Lorenzo.

He has stated that publically. Also for the first time, he is hinting that he might NOT stay with Yamaha until he retires.

He feels (justifiably) that He has developed the M1 and doesn't like doing all the work so his closest competitor can benifit.

It would sure be cool to see him do it AGAIN on the Ducati, but making that change now seems unwise.

Yamaha is notoriously generous with their retired champions.

No doubt about Rossi being upset with Yamaha. I'm really going off his biography and what I've heard about Ducatif for years. I just don't see him going that way. I'd see him going to WSBK (or to Suzuki/Kawasaki) before joining the Ducati team.

I think it would be an amazing spectacle to see him take the Kawi and turn it into a winner, but I also think that's pie in the sky.

Studio819 · 09-23-2009, 06:47 PM

For some reason I am finding no problem with "team Texas" I dunno why

theJrod · 09-23-2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by richardlpalmer

I just don't ever see him moving to Ducati. From what I've read Ducati is considerably worse than Honda when it comes to "machine over rider".

Sources!

Nobody could be worse than Honda.

Ducati seems to be pretty accomodating for Hayden. I personally would love to see Rossi make the switch.

crashnfool · 09-23-2009, 08:58 PM

HATER HERE!!!!!!!!

jkester92 · 09-23-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Studio819

For some reason I am finding no problem with "team Texas" I dunno why

How you likin Texas? You ready to come back yet?

richardlpalmer · 09-23-2009, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by theJrod

Sources!

Nobody could be worse than Honda.

Ducati seems to be pretty accomodating for Hayden. I personally would love to see Rossi make the switch.

Rossi's biography was the place I read the most about it. Then I started keying in on the announcers of MotoGP (British) and then observed it in RRW. But Rossi's book was the best explaination of it.

Studio819 · 09-24-2009, 07:05 AM

How you likin Texas? You ready to come back yet?

Hell no, already looking at houses to buy down here (we moved into a rental house so we could learn the area to buy a house next year). The racing out this way is crazy too. 6 race tracks within 3 hours of me and I have the Michelin Finals and Grand National Finals in the next 2 weeks at Barber and Road Atlanta.


09-21-2009, 07:20 AM	#84
matt3719 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2009 From: joplin, MO to pdx I Ride: 03 R1	I'm sure ducati has the records of just how stoner had it before he left? Not like they completely introduced a new bike, I'm sure they'll test him on the "changes" made for Hayden and if he wrecks or is slower they'll change them all back and Hayden will slow back down again lol __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-21-2009, 06:04 PM	#87
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	Alot of Stoners Honda crashes were rumoured to be due to inferior spec tires. Ducati obviously saw something they liked. The truth of the Duc is getting out, sounds like the bike is not consistant throughout the the race, Stoner is able to push through the changes, other riders struggle more trusting the chassis. Ducati reports that they think they have isolated some of the problem, and Nicky agrees. I have been impressed by Ben at WSBK. I'm not a fan, but there is little doubt in my mind he is the best rider on the grid. As was Troy Bayliss or Colin Edwards or Carl Fogarty in their times. I do not think he is going to dominate Moto GP. I doubt he can even win a race on any machinery... Its a totally different Paddock. Mabye I'm wrong, but I will bet cash money I'm not. Don't think privateers have ever won a 4 stroke GP, but the sattelite Hondas have won several races. Gibernau, Melandri, Biaggi. (thats all I can think of off the top of my head) __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-21-2009, 06:09 PM	#89
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	I have been getting all this info from Cycle News, the best racing publication out there. 50 issues a year. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-21-2009, 07:14 PM	#92
matt3719 Pit Crew Joined: Aug 2009 From: joplin, MO to pdx I Ride: 03 R1	http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=32013 hes been after the money by whoever will pay him under the table for a few years is what seems to always come up. i trust roadracing world before anything else and im sure thats why my views are biased towards this but ive always seen great things written and documented from ulrich and a few others at road racing world. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-21-2009, 07:30 PM	#93
NoQuarter#121 Zone Head Joined: Sep 2007 From: 2nd star to the right and straight on 'til morning I Ride: on ice at 15F below zero	Interesting... I'm not a huge fan of Abrams, but I do like his constant thrashing of the DMG Goat Rodeo Crew. RRW is also a good pub, just about 3 months behind... John Ulrich, cough, cough, has a reputation himself, although my few personal dealings with him have been completely professional. I am concerned about his seemingly acceptance of DMG. Ulrich is the real deal, he has raced, he knows whats up, so I have been surprised by the inability of RRW to call a pig a pig. (regarding the DMG joke) Ulrich is on the BoD of AMA, so he is partly responsible for the current state of AMA Racing... And it is a sad sad state... But you will find only a few minor articles critiscizing the Goat Rodeo Clowns DMG. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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09-23-2009, 06:47 PM	#95
Studio819 Zone Head Joined: Jun 2005 From: Kirkland	For some reason I am finding no problem with "team Texas" I dunno why __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


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