trail braking - Page 7

Caps2000 · 01-09-2012, 06:51 PM

How's this for trail braking?

http://youtu.be/4QuD06chN4M

NoQuarter#121 · 01-09-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Caps2000

How's this for trail braking?

http://youtu.be/4QuD06chN4M

That my friend is "backing it in" something you have alot of experience with.

Oh wait.....

Caps2000 · 01-10-2012, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by NoQuarter#121

That my friend is "backing it in" something you have alot of experience with.

Oh wait.....

Nicely played Sir.

theJrod · 01-10-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Transported

Better wording would be to say that it will take 500 or 1000 practice attempts before you perfect it.

500 to 1000 "attempts" is literally maybe a week's worth of riding, or 1-2 trackdays. You surely need much more than that to even be halfway decent at it, let alone perfect it. ("it" being anything, really, related to the sport - trail braking, blipping, rolling on the throttle, body position, etc.)

Developing muscle memory, depending on the research, takes 4,000 to 10,000+ repetitions. Also keep in mind that as you develop skills like trail braking, you're learning and probably also getting faster, which also requires minute changes in the actual movements. So you're constantly adapting and changing the muscle memory you've already developed.

Transported · 01-10-2012, 08:53 AM

^^^I realize that something like a Fossil run in one day probably allows you to practice on close to 500 corners. So, yes, that's not a whole lot of practice to perfect something. But, it's pretty daunting to tell someone to do something 500 or 1000 times.

If they practice on a small piece of familiar road with a few nice curves, they might have to make hundreds of passes to do the suggested minimum practice. Seems sisyphussian.

I just think trail braking is being way overthought, with some people claiming it should only be attempted on the track. It's really not that difficult.

The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.

It's established ignorant bullshit that has to be overcome. Most people who have no such false instruction will probably discover trail braking on their own eventually, just as I did.

dammyneckhurts · 01-10-2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by theJrod

500 to 1000 "attempts" is literally maybe a week's worth of riding, or 1-2 trackdays. You surely need much more than that to even be halfway decent at it, let alone perfect it. ("it" being anything, really, related to the sport - trail braking, blipping, rolling on the throttle, body position, etc.)

Developing muscle memory, depending on the research, takes 4,000 to 10,000+ repetitions. Also keep in mind that as you develop skills like trail braking, you're learning and probably also getting faster, which also requires minute changes in the actual movements. So you're constantly adapting and changing the muscle memory you've already developed.

This.

I particularly like the last 2 sentences, well said.

PeteN95 · 01-10-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Transported

The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.

Key word highlighted, while I believe trail braking can be used effectively on the street, it is not for beginners. They need to concentrate on the basics until very comfortable. Trail braking is an advanced technique. IMHO

lena · 01-10-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Transported

The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.

It's established ignorant bullshit that has to be overcome. Most people who have no such false instruction will probably discover trail braking on their own eventually, just as I did.

QFT. It took me forever to get over exactly that. Once I tried, I understood.

dakh · 01-10-2012, 08:35 PM

From what I've seen a lot more street riding folk crashed from freaking out and grenading the front brake in the corner or freaking out and riding off the road than from trying to properly trail brake. It is not among basic skills but just as a bunch of other techniques it makes you a safer street rider. Using the rear brake for example, quite a useful skill but many people are of a mindset that it's not for sportbikes and not for street.

Debi · 01-11-2012, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by PeteN95

Key word highlighted, while I believe trail braking can be used effectively on the street, it is not for beginners. They need to concentrate on the basics until very comfortable. Trail braking is an advanced technique. IMHO

Very true

Originally Posted by dakh

From what I've seen a lot more street riding folk crashed from freaking out and grenading the front brake in the corner or freaking out and riding off the road than from trying to properly trail brake. It is not among basic skills but just as a bunch of other techniques it makes you a safer street rider. Using the rear brake for example, quite a useful skill but many people are of a mindset that it's not for sportbikes and not for street.

I so agree


01-09-2012, 06:51 PM	#121
Caps2000 Peg Dragger Joined: Aug 2008 From: Seattle, Wa	How's this for trail braking? http://youtu.be/4QuD06chN4M __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


01-10-2012, 08:53 AM	#125
Transported Moto2 Contender Joined: Dec 2006 From: Portland, Oregon Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: '06 FZ1, '99 R1, '80 Suz GS450S	^^^I realize that something like a Fossil run in one day probably allows you to practice on close to 500 corners. So, yes, that's not a whole lot of practice to perfect something. But, it's pretty daunting to tell someone to do something 500 or 1000 times. If they practice on a small piece of familiar road with a few nice curves, they might have to make hundreds of passes to do the suggested minimum practice. Seems sisyphussian. I just think trail braking is being way overthought, with some people claiming it should only be attempted on the track. It's really not that difficult. The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over. It's established ignorant bullshit that has to be overcome. Most people who have no such false instruction will probably discover trail braking on their own eventually, just as I did. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


01-10-2012, 08:35 PM	#129
dakh Streetfighter Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	From what I've seen a lot more street riding folk crashed from freaking out and grenading the front brake in the corner or freaking out and riding off the road than from trying to properly trail brake. It is not among basic skills but just as a bunch of other techniques it makes you a safer street rider. Using the rear brake for example, quite a useful skill but many people are of a mindset that it's not for sportbikes and not for street. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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