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Old 01-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #121
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How's this for trail braking?

http://youtu.be/4QuD06chN4M

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Old 01-09-2012, 08:42 PM   #122
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How's this for trail braking?

http://youtu.be/4QuD06chN4M
That my friend is "backing it in" something you have alot of experience with.


Oh wait.....

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Old 01-10-2012, 05:29 AM   #123
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That my friend is "backing it in" something you have alot of experience with.


Oh wait.....
Nicely played Sir.

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Old 01-10-2012, 09:08 AM   #124
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Better wording would be to say that it will take 500 or 1000 practice attempts before you perfect it.
500 to 1000 "attempts" is literally maybe a week's worth of riding, or 1-2 trackdays. You surely need much more than that to even be halfway decent at it, let alone perfect it. ("it" being anything, really, related to the sport - trail braking, blipping, rolling on the throttle, body position, etc.)

Developing muscle memory, depending on the research, takes 4,000 to 10,000+ repetitions. Also keep in mind that as you develop skills like trail braking, you're learning and probably also getting faster, which also requires minute changes in the actual movements. So you're constantly adapting and changing the muscle memory you've already developed.

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Old 01-10-2012, 09:53 AM   #125
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^^^I realize that something like a Fossil run in one day probably allows you to practice on close to 500 corners. So, yes, that's not a whole lot of practice to perfect something. But, it's pretty daunting to tell someone to do something 500 or 1000 times.

If they practice on a small piece of familiar road with a few nice curves, they might have to make hundreds of passes to do the suggested minimum practice. Seems sisyphussian.

I just think trail braking is being way overthought, with some people claiming it should only be attempted on the track. It's really not that difficult.

The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.

It's established ignorant bullshit that has to be overcome. Most people who have no such false instruction will probably discover trail braking on their own eventually, just as I did.

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Old 01-10-2012, 10:29 AM   #126
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500 to 1000 "attempts" is literally maybe a week's worth of riding, or 1-2 trackdays. You surely need much more than that to even be halfway decent at it, let alone perfect it. ("it" being anything, really, related to the sport - trail braking, blipping, rolling on the throttle, body position, etc.)

Developing muscle memory, depending on the research, takes 4,000 to 10,000+ repetitions. Also keep in mind that as you develop skills like trail braking, you're learning and probably also getting faster, which also requires minute changes in the actual movements. So you're constantly adapting and changing the muscle memory you've already developed.
This.

I particularly like the last 2 sentences, well said.

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Old 01-10-2012, 10:31 AM   #127
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The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.
Key word highlighted, while I believe trail braking can be used effectively on the street, it is not for beginners. They need to concentrate on the basics until very comfortable. Trail braking is an advanced technique. IMHO

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Old 01-10-2012, 05:42 PM   #128
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The problem is all the malarky that Team Oregon and other beginner manuals and advice columns teach that you should always do all braking before a turn and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER touch the brakes when the bike is leaned over.

It's established ignorant bullshit that has to be overcome. Most people who have no such false instruction will probably discover trail braking on their own eventually, just as I did.
QFT. It took me forever to get over exactly that. Once I tried, I understood.

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Old 01-10-2012, 09:35 PM   #129
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From what I've seen a lot more street riding folk crashed from freaking out and grenading the front brake in the corner or freaking out and riding off the road than from trying to properly trail brake. It is not among basic skills but just as a bunch of other techniques it makes you a safer street rider. Using the rear brake for example, quite a useful skill but many people are of a mindset that it's not for sportbikes and not for street.

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Old 01-11-2012, 04:29 AM   #130
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Key word highlighted, while I believe trail braking can be used effectively on the street, it is not for beginners. They need to concentrate on the basics until very comfortable. Trail braking is an advanced technique. IMHO

Very true

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From what I've seen a lot more street riding folk crashed from freaking out and grenading the front brake in the corner or freaking out and riding off the road than from trying to properly trail brake. It is not among basic skills but just as a bunch of other techniques it makes you a safer street rider. Using the rear brake for example, quite a useful skill but many people are of a mindset that it's not for sportbikes and not for street.

I so agree

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