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Old 07-17-2012, 12:02 PM   #421
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up to the incident - it's hard to say if the rider really did anything wrong. This could have been the first on track incident for him and sadly someone else was caught up in it. He is to blame for the incident, without a doubt, but I really don't think that the organization is to shoulder blame for one individual's sole lapse of judgment. I really don't see what else they can do at the point of the crash with no previous tell tale signs of recklessness.
Not aware of any sessions before this but three corners before he took Jesse out, he passed me like an idiot and said to myself, last session and this guy thinks he is getting a trophy and is going to wreck...a few corners later this happened.

I agree 100%, the ORG is not at fault here at all. We all sign a waiver, yes but I think the attitude or understanding between riders is that we should be looking out for others as well and not just trying to see how fast ( or in my case how slow ) we are...at the end of the day, no one is going to MOTO GP here or getting a trophy. This is a track day and when we all get off our bikes, we all still have lives that can be effected by dumb ass moves like this.

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Old 07-17-2012, 12:21 PM   #422
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:37 PM   #423
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I do not believe it was MY fault that this happened.
Sorry, I don't blame anyone for this specific event. I wasn't there so I don't know anything about it except for some video snippets. I have no idea if this guy was showing signs before this or not.

Just saying in general control riders see more of what's going on than the "org" people do. If someone is acting stupid on the track the only people who will really know are the people on the track with him. The people in the paddock usually don't learn about it until "acting stupid" turns into "causes accident".

Sometimes "acting stupid" and "causes accident" are so close together there's nothing anyone can really do.

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Old 07-17-2012, 01:00 PM   #424
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Riders who make illegal and dangerous passes should be banned from track day events. Especially riders who cause accidents like that one. I seriously doubt that was his first inside pass or dangerous pass. If we eliminate the violators, the example will be set and trackdays will become safer.

This discussion is all over Facebook right now. Not one Facebook comment suggested that this type of reckless behavior and accidents they cause are just part of what should be expected at a trackday. I would like to see all local trackday organizers make an extra effort to solve this growing problem. They need to hammer the idea that this kind of behavior is dangerous and will not be tolerated. Offenders need to be banned. The more offenders you ban, the safer it gets for everyone else.

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Old 07-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #425
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This discussion is all over Facebook right now.
Nobody invited me, but then again... all I have to say is "ow"

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Old 07-17-2012, 05:31 PM   #426
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While we have talked... My pain and suffering from this accident is still persistent. Him getting called out over and over again can be his persistent pain and suffering.

At the end of the day, I'd take his pain and suffering over mine.
Sorry you got taken out like that, it's got to be frustrating.

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Old 07-17-2012, 05:34 PM   #427
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Nobody invited me, but then again... all I have to say is "ow"
were you the guy that was following me with your girlfriend on my zx6 when my fuel pump cut out and I pulled off track?

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Old 07-17-2012, 06:44 PM   #428
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Personally I think a lot of this responsibility falls on the CRs more than the org. Someone riding like a jackass is only visible to the riders on the track. If he's a risk only the riders on the track know it before the inevitable crash happens.
I was an eye witness and a CR when this event happened.

I had been working more or less one on one with several riders throughout the day in the 200 group.

I was working with a rider when this particular rider buzzed by me at a pace and agression in no way appropriate for the 200 group.
FYI, Its good the for ego, but bad for the other riders to ride at a level above the intended pace of the session.

I decided to chase him down and try to reign him in a bit and make sure he advanced into the fast session.

I caught him at the top of the ridge from the inside, then backed off due to the 3 bikes negotiating the ridge complex of turns.
You can see me in the video.
Maybe he didnt see me inside of him or the 3 other bikes in the turn.
I don't know,
What I do know is that he blew the entry in a major way, on the wrong trajectory, going much to fast for the conditions and traffic.

I would have had a conversation with him about his riding had he not lost control of his motorcycle and taken out the other rider.

Alan and Jared have been very focused on making sure that the riders are safe and ride in the appropriate group.
OPRT is serious about helping the street rider have a good experience on a race track.

I have been specifically directed to go and ride with various riders to witness their style and ability and make suggestions regarding which group they belong in and what level of aggression is appropriate.
I have spoken with riders on several occasions about this, and generally end up advancing the riders up to a faster group.

I enjoy working with OPRT, and in no way would I blame them or their procedures for this incedent.

Sometimes you run out of talent and luck at the same time.
Sometimes you can't fix stupid.

I leave it up to you to decide which is the appropriate line in this case.

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Old 07-17-2012, 07:15 PM   #429
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I was an eye witness and a CR when this event happened.

...

I decided to chase him down and try to reign him in a bit and make sure he advanced into the fast session.

...

I would have had a conversation with him about his riding had he not lost control of his motorcycle and taken out the other rider.
Thanks. That's good to know.

For me it's rare to hear of someone getting CR attention for this kind of inappropriate riding. In about 40 area trackdays I don't think I've seen anyone get kicked out, or even get a stern lecture, for jackassery. If it's happening often it's happening quietly (and maybe it shouldn't be).

As someone mentioned earlier maybe making the discipline more obvious to everyone will deter the people who think a trackday is the wild wild west.

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Old 07-17-2012, 08:18 PM   #430
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Thanks. That's good to know.

For me it's rare to hear of someone getting CR attention for this kind of inappropriate riding. In about 40 area trackdays I don't think I've seen anyone get kicked out, or even get a stern lecture, for jackassery. If it's happening often it's happening quietly (and maybe it shouldn't be).

As someone mentioned earlier maybe making the discipline more obvious to everyone will deter the people who think a trackday is the wild wild west.
Usually a quiet conversation goes a long way.
I have witnessed more than one **ahem** lecture...

They do happen,
Remember the regularly schedulled lunch time bitch out session at adrenaline freaks?

Mario was boss!

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Old 07-17-2012, 08:31 PM   #431
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sometimes you run out of talent and luck at the same time.
Sometimes you can't fix stupid.

I leave it up to you to decide which is the appropriate line in this case.


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Old 07-17-2012, 08:40 PM   #432
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were you the guy that was following me with your girlfriend on my zx6 when my fuel pump cut out and I pulled off track?
Yes, that would be me

I was very very very confused as to why an instructor was pulling us over on the side of the track... but I'm not one to argue as I thought you knew something I didn't. Turns out you weren't trying to get us to stop... you just had a mechanical issue

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Old 07-17-2012, 09:21 PM   #433
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Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with the way they have it now. Don't know how he was riding prior other than what has been posted. But even with my limited experience, I know the enforcement of the rules isnt instantaneous. When he was seen riding too aggressively, the CR (not quarter) began chasing him down to slow him down. Just wasnt time to get to that point.

Apparently, someone mentioned to the staff, "someone" with a bike looking like mine, was dragging knee in the 100 group. Mine was really the only one though. I am horrible with names,(Allen I think it was) was looking at my bike, then came up and asked who's bike it was. I said mine, then he told me what he was told. Basically if I was riding at that kind of pace, I should either slow down or move to 200. Obviously my virgin knee picks defended my lack of knee down though.
Relating this to show OPRT was very serious about rider safety, as well as.proactive. I feel they did everything they could do to ensure my safety while out there, honestly, I think they went above and beyond. I haven't ridden with any other track day providers, but I will say I would not hesitate to ride with.them again, and as a matter of fact, they are my provider of choice.

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Old 07-17-2012, 10:17 PM   #434
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Wow, I missed all the drama….sorry Jesse you got hit, must suck…Hope you heal up quick!

I enjoyed putting screen names to people, hope I could meet up more. ZRXMike, you Sir would make Eddie Lawson proud!! Was great trying to follow you.

The Jrod – thanks for letting me use you front stands…let’s ride again.

TrailBoss, did not get to say hi...next time.

Peace.

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Old 07-17-2012, 10:19 PM   #435
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Here are the last two sessions of the day that I participated in. I skipped the lunch session and the very last session of the day. I'll be posting all 5 sessions that I did on my youtube channel. Funny how helmet cams always make everything look slower.

Thanks for getting some of meeeeeee on your video! I got some face time @3:34 following Peter (OPRT Instructor)

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Old 07-17-2012, 10:38 PM   #436
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The following video is from the last Level 2 session of the day, throttled back a little as the mental fatigue was starting to settle in. MikeM was kind enough to lead and shadow me on one of the BMW S1000RR demo's to give me some nice feedback. Just need to grow some more balls and have more confidence heading into turn 1.


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Old 07-18-2012, 01:46 PM   #437
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Couple of things I did really like about the ORPT setup that I haven't experienced yet.

Riders meeting (well done, too the point, prizes to keep everyone paying attention)
No Lunch break, just rolled thru sessions all day, 40 min breaks is plenty to get food
Going to 6pm, option of skipping a session to rest in the afternoon.

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:54 PM   #438
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This was from the races, not the trackday, but if you're interested in some lines this might be helpful:


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Old 07-18-2012, 09:08 PM   #439
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[QUOTE=smokedu;2808304]Here are a couple of my vids. First one is the second session of the 100 group. I asked to be moved up after that session. The other video is my second session in the 200 level so session four of the day.

I must say I was really impressed with the O.P.R.T crew and control riders. I know that when I asked to be moved up I got some great advice about not falling into the trap of thinking this is a race, trying to keep up with someone that passes you or just plain riding over your head. It is easy to fall into this train of thought. Red mist is what I believe it was referred to.

I also had a control rider come and follow me into the pits after the session. He let me know my lines were good, form good and good choices on passing. Very cool.

I also wittnessed another control rider search out a gentleman I was pitted next to. This was his first track day. The instructor spent some considerable time going over things, listening and answering questions. Again, very cool.

Every one I rode with or was next to had a big grin on their face Thanks O.P.R.T for another great track day experience.

Derick





Track Time[/QUOTE

We did have big grins on or faces. It was a great day. My first track day. Can't wait till the next one. And hear that RC8 rail past me. Lol.

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Old 07-22-2012, 10:48 PM   #440
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this was a fun session

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