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Old 09-20-2012, 01:59 PM   #21
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i promise you could rail on the q2's right now and you wouldn't out corner them...you don't need warmers. Promise.

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Old 09-20-2012, 02:22 PM   #22
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At PIR hard acceleration out of the hot pit, reasonable braking into T1, hard accel out of T4 and hard braking into T7 will have Q2's up to temp. I've done that on a set installed trackside and by T8 and 9 they were fine.

If you want the confidence from warmers though go ahead and pick some up. I had a set of MJMoto's and I liked them on race tires.

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Old 09-20-2012, 03:54 PM   #23
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Remember: Bikes crash on cold tires BECAUSE OF BAD RIDER INPUTS, NOT THE TIRES..... Anyone can hop on a bike with stone cold tires, get them warmed up quickly, and get on pace.

Q2's Do not need warmers and in my opinion, you would be worse off running warmers on them. You will cook them past their optimal temps, only to cool them down as soon as you get on the track. These tires were designed to not run warmers. Take that for what it's worth.

And besides that, Jesse PROMISES....so that means everything!

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Old 09-20-2012, 04:01 PM   #24
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Remember: Bikes crash on cold tires BECAUSE OF BAD RIDER INPUTS, NOT THE TIRES..... Anyone can hop on a bike with stone cold tires, get them warmed up quickly, and get on pace.

Q2's Do not need warmers and in my opinion, you would be worse off running warmers on them. You will cook them past their optimal temps, only to cool them down as soon as you get on the track. These tires were designed to not run warmers. Take that for what it's worth.

And besides that, Jesse PROMISES....so that means everything!
^this stevie speaks the truth <3

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Old 09-20-2012, 04:41 PM   #25
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I'm with everyone else on the not needing warmers for q2's.

FastFoodFred is old and doesn't realize tire technology has come a long ways since he raced. You simply won't heat cycle a tire to death unless you're at the very very top of club racing....even then, I don't think they heat cycle them too much, just simply lose that initial fabulous grip race tires have.
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You can't heat cycle a street tire to death. They're designed to go through countless heat cycles.




That said. I'm a huge fan of being confident with my equipment. Couple years ago, you wouldn't convince me that I didn't need warmers when going out on the track. Now, through experience, I know better. That said, money does buy confidence. I just wouldn't waste that money on using them on q2's.




Long story: You don't need them now.

Short story: Buy the equipment if its a great deal. If you plan on advancing your track days into racing or getting more track/race oriented tires.....you'll want to have them anyway.

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Old 09-20-2012, 04:45 PM   #26
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I'm with everyone else on the not needing warmers for q2's.

FastFoodFred is old and doesn't realize tire technology has come a long ways since he raced. You simply won't heat cycle a tire to death unless you're at the very very top of club racing....even then, I don't think they heat cycle them too much, just simply loose that initial fabulous grip race tires have.
also
You can't heat cycle a street tire to death. They're designed to go through countless heat cycles.




That said. I'm a huge fan of being confident with my equipment. Couple years ago, you wouldn't convince me that I didn't need warmers when going out on the track. Now, through experience, I know better. That said, money does buy confidence. I just wouldn't waste that money on using them on q2's.




Long story: You don't need them now.

Short story: Buy the equipment if its a great deal. If you plan on advancing your track days into racing or getting more track/race oriented tires.....you'll want to have them anyway.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:05 PM   #27
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Went ahead and got um. Btw coupon code : forum gets you 10 percent off. The Dunlop Site says for q2s you should use Tire warmers at 158 degrees if the ambient temperature is below 60 degrees. And that it is optional. The warmers I got heat to 170 degrees. Is that a big deal or just fine? And should I put them on right after my session for 40 min or just 20 min before my next session?

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #28
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Tried, but have to be more liberal with my loving...

I've have friends who run mid level 3, A group for you guys up there I guess, on Q2's w/ no warmers...I run fast level 2, very slow 3 on Q2's w/ no warmers...so don't really see them as necessary unless you are switching to slicks and/or racing.

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:18 PM   #29
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Well, at least know nothing guys like me get some good advice from threads like this, even if the ops promptly ignore the advice they sought.

Thanks guys.

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:43 PM   #30
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Went ahead and got um. Btw coupon code : forum gets you 10 percent off. The Dunlop Site says for q2s you should use Tire warmers at 158 degrees if the ambient temperature is below 60 degrees. And that it is optional. The warmers I got heat to 170 degrees. Is that a big deal or just fine? And should I put them on right after my session for 40 min or just 20 min before my next session?
I wouldn't put them on for anything longer than 20 mins.

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:52 PM   #31
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Well, at least know nothing guys like me get some good advice from threads like this, even if the ops promptly ignore the advice they sought.

Thanks guys.
..I didn't ignore anything. I took all of the input into consideration and gathered that I do not NEED them, which i knew, but could get extra laps of fun out of each of my sessions if I had them and that it will help give me confidence which is important.
Considering I will need them eventually anyway and they are a good deal.

I picked them up.

Track days are expensive, now I wont have to waste a lap or two of every session.
Thanks for the input guys btw

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Old 09-20-2012, 06:07 PM   #32
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..I didn't ignore anything. I took all of the input into consideration and gathered that I do not NEED them, which i knew, but could get extra laps of fun out of each of my sessions if I had them and that it will help give me confidence which is important.
Considering I will need them eventually anyway and they are a good deal.

I picked them up.

Track days are expensive, now I wont have to waste a lap or two of every session.
Thanks for the input guys btw
I hate to read that you think you are wasting money on the first couple laps. Your tires are not the onlly thing that is cold when you get started. Your Body and mind need to be warmed up as well to the task at hand. Please dont let your first thread next track season be "Tires were warm I was not"

It's not a bad idea to warm them up simultaneously.

FWIW I run Dunlop Ntecs and the ONLY time I use warmers is on race day.

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Old 09-20-2012, 06:08 PM   #33
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I always hate when folks post pics as "proof".....so i'm going to be a huge hypocrite here.



This was my second lap on a bike I had never ridden before...on q2's. No warmers. Just went out and rode the bike.

The tires are good and gsxr's are the best.



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Old 09-20-2012, 06:11 PM   #34
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I always hate when folks post pics as "proof".....so i'm going to be a huge hypocrite here.



This was my second lap on a bike I had never rode before...on q2's. No warmers. Just went out and rode the bike.

The tires are good and gsxr's are the best.
That doesnt prove a thing. Take a good look. Clearly you are stright up and the camera man was drunk and had a slight tilt that day, thus looking like you are dragging knee. Awesome photog if you ask me.



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Old 09-20-2012, 06:13 PM   #35
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Awesome photog if you ask me.


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Old 09-20-2012, 06:20 PM   #36
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The tires are good and gsxr's are the best.
Way too many Gixxer fanboys around here....I'm out!

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Old 09-20-2012, 06:56 PM   #37
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I always hate when folks post pics as "proof".....so i'm going to be a huge hypocrite here.



This was my second lap on a bike I had never ridden before...on q2's. No warmers. Just went out and rode the bike.

The tires are good and gsxr's are the best.


First of all, let me just say that Donny is a goof.



Okay, with that outta the way... I just bought an old track bike to come play with you guys and it has Q2's on it. They have been ran for 2 track days but at the most sedate pace I'd hardly call it track riding.

Soooo, I'll be at the dull end of the Advanced group at the Ridge next week, what should I expect out of these things? I've run NTECS and GPA's for the past couple years and started the year on a set of new Pirelli's which I hated - just for reference.

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Old 09-20-2012, 07:16 PM   #38
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I always hate when folks post pics as "proof".....that my tires were cold, and im clearly sliding the rear tire in this picture
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First of all, let me just say that Donny is a goof.



Okay, with that outta the way... I just bought an old track bike to come play with you guys and it has Q2's on it. They have been ran for 2 track days but at the most sedate pace I'd hardly call it track riding.

Soooo, I'll be at the dull end of the Advanced group at the Ridge next week, what should I expect out of these things? I've run NTECS and GPA's for the past couple years and started the year on a set of new Pirelli's which I hated - just for reference.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:17 PM   #39
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If you're waiting 2 laps to feel confident on your tires, and you're at PIR running 1:20's in 18 minute sessions, you're getting about 14 laps total (13.82 ish for an 18 minute session, two for switch in/out), 2 of which you're spending worried about tire warmth. That's roughly 14% of every session. Cheap tire warmers run $150 or so, delivered to your door. Track days at PIR run $150 or so on average. 14% of an average track day is spent worrying about cold tires... so that's $21 worth of track time roughly.

In 7 PIR track days your tire warmers will have paid for themselves in additional safe/full speed track time.

Go to a track like ORP, where 2:00 lap times are a safe average to go from, and you spend 1.5 laps warming up, and there are 9 laps per session... you're seeing 16% or so at ORP. Average ORP day being $180 or so... that's $28.80 per track day at ORP.

In 5 ORP track days your tire warmers will have paid for themselves in additional safe/full speed track time.

Added bonuses include less likely of sliding around (and possibly crashing) on cold tires, less tire heat cycles so prolonged life, and more likely for a giant erection sooner due to being able to hit turn 1 like it owes you money right away...so really there isn't a reason not to buy them if you're going to be into track days for even a year or two.

You couldn't have put that any better!
I was in a similar situation with wasting time worrying about cold tires so I pulled the plug and got an affordable set of warmers and LOVE em!!!
But keep in mind I went to a better tire for the track(Race DOT) so it benefited me more.
You don't need them but fuk it why not. Grip it and rip it!!!

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Old 09-20-2012, 07:21 PM   #40
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Soooo, I'll be at the dull end of the Advanced group at the Ridge next week, what should I expect out of these things? I've run NTECS and GPA's for the past couple years and started the year on a set of new Pirelli's which I hated - just for reference.
Heart to heart, you should love them. Rob and I just got done with the Pridmore school earlier this week. I was running my showroom stock suspension R6 with Q2's with one previous PR day on them. Two days at the Ridge, totally goofing around in the 1:50.XX times (which was only 2+ seconds off of my fastest race paces on my clunky ol kawi). Time of my life on that bike on those tires over those two days. Oh, no warmers either.

Don't worry 'bout them one bit. 29 cold on the rear, 30 or 31 cold up front. Good to go! Looking forward to seein ya on the 28th WOOT!

After these last few track days on the R6 and the Q2's, I'm the biggest Yamaha and Dunlop Q2 Fanboi ever!

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