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Old 02-21-2007, 02:04 PM   #41
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What? I disagree with you because I actually experienced something different and you call me a post? I'm just relying actual experiences.
I think Nico's trying to give you a different interpretation on the numbers and results you saw during your experiences. His are based on a pretty sound knowledge of physiology and working out.

And from my & others' experiences, doing cardio in addition to weights will result in a net loss of weight and decrease in body fat, with numbers to back 'em. Hence his statement, weights != fitness

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:13 PM   #42
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I think Nico's trying to give you a different interpretation on the numbers and results you saw during your experiences. His are based on a pretty sound knowledge of physiology and working out.

And from my & others' experiences, doing cardio in addition to weights will result in a net loss of weight and decrease in body fat, with numbers to back 'em. Hence his statement, weights != fitness

I understand what he is saying is based on "sound knowledge of physiology and working out" but he is also forgetting about factors that influence individuals. Not everyone is the same and each person's body reacts differently to stimuli. I relayed my experiences from 10 years ago to give an example as to why I do not lift weights today.

Also to address something you said, doing cardio in addition to lifting weights does not neccessarly mean a net loss in weight and decrease in body fat. What you are missing in the formula is how one lifts weights. If you do a single set and stand around for a minute to "recover" then you aren't getting the benefit out of lifting that you could be getting. If you do super sets (the practice of doing 2 or 3 different lifting exercises in a row with no break in between each exercise until you have completed a predetermined number of sets per exercise (with each set having their own number of reps involved (which changes based on your goals)) you continue to get the cardio benefit while you are breaking your muscles down so they can be rebuilt.

Perhaps what was missed in my experiences was the fact that all we did during that 2-3 hour work out were supersets. We would wait no longer than it too to setup the next superset between supersets. This effectively meant that I had a heart rate elevated well in the 70%+ range of my max for those 2 - 3 hours giving me the effect of doing cardio exercise for that period of time.

Thus not enough information was provided for someone to make up their minds but that doesn't deserve getting called a "fence post" due to the other person's inability to simply walk away or to continue probing for more information.

In the end...its good that anybody does anything for fitness today as there are too many people out there like me...25-30lbs overweight and not giving a damn.

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:20 PM   #43
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What? I disagree with you because I actually experienced something different and you call me a post? I'm just relying actual experiences.
The problem Chris is you will argue for the sake of arguing. That's why I call you a fence post. If you shut your mouth once in a while, you might learn something.

You have spouted numerous things that are false. You said yourself that you never got measured. The way you feel and the truch can be vastly different things.

Facts are you probably don't know how to properly lift weights to acheive physical fitness without so called "getting huge" so instead of inquiring on how to do it, you spin it off as that it doesn't work for you. You associate muscles improperly. It's not one thing or another. Fitness is pie that has several pieces to it. Diet, strength training, cardiovascular, and core.

Just because the scale reads a lower weight doesn't necessairly mean you are more fit. That is why I say weight != fit.

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:22 PM   #44
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Yeah because your body and metabolism is the same as it was 10 years ago.

Now I'm done...

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:27 PM   #45
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Fuck right off. I've got ankle fat that weighs more than you.
Damn, that is a good one. bout made me blow dasani out my nose!


For me, my workout consists of watching tivo'ed superbike racing and drinking Black Butte Porter!

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:40 PM   #46
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Facts are you probably don't know how to properly lift weights to acheive physical fitness without so called "getting huge" so instead of inquiring on how to do it, you spin it off as that it doesn't work for you.
I think you hit it there..........There are different reasons and ways to lift weights. For anyone who wants to attain optimal fitness weights are essential IMHO. Am I lifting weights right now? no, not until I get my cardio up a bit more, maybe in a month or so ...................JOhn.............PS I ran 2 miles and played tennis for 2 hrs today,I KICK ASS!!!!!

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:42 PM   #47
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One thing I've found out firsthand is that you MUST lift weights and have some sort of protein-rich diet (whey helps a lot!) to simply MAINTAIN muscle mass as you lose weight. Otherwise you burn fat and muscle. After losing 25lbs, my muscles are actually the same size as before & more toned because they aren't hidden by excess fat. I know this because I track the wt I use in each workout and the peak wt & rep counts have both increased.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:10 PM   #48
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I think you hit it there..........There are different reasons and ways to lift weights. For anyone who wants to attain optimal fitness weights are essential IMHO. Am I lifting weights right now? no, not until I get my cardio up a bit more, maybe in a month or so ...................JOhn.............PS I ran 2 miles and played tennis for 2 hrs today,I KICK ASS!!!!!
Lets play the dictionary game:

fitness : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fitness
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fitĚness (fĭt'nĭs) Pronunciation Key
n.
The state or condition of being fit; suitability or appropriateness.
Good health or physical condition, especially as the result of exercise and proper nutrition.
Biology The extent to which an organism is adapted to or able to produce offspring in a particular environment.
optimal : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/optimal
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source opĚtiĚmal (ŏp'tə-məl) Pronunciation Key
adj. Most favorable or desirable; optimum.
So for optimal fitness you have to know the desirable physical condition. This means you need to know the environment in which the physical conditioning you are developing is going to be used in so you can make sure that you meet and/or exceed the physical condition you need for this.

If you are going to do a body building contest do you really need to have a high level of endurance? Nope. Do you want to have large lean muscle mass? Yup.

If you are going to go running a marathon do you need to have a high level of endurance? Yup. Do you want to have large lean muscle mass? No as it takes more energy to move the weight behind this. Large is the key word there.

If you are going climbing do you need to have a high level of endurance? Yes. Do you want to have large lean muscle mass? No but you do want more muscle mass than the runner. Flexibility and strength at the edges of your muscle contraction is important.

What I am saying here is that you don't have to lift weights to achieve physical fitness (http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...cal%20fitness). It really matters what you want to do as as the results from various measurements that can be used to determine 'good physical fitness' are subjective.

If you people have to stuck in your head you must lift weights to get into shape then have fun lifting those weights.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:13 PM   #49
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One thing I've found out firsthand is that you MUST lift weights and have some sort of protein-rich diet (whey helps a lot!) to simply MAINTAIN muscle mass as you lose weight. Otherwise you burn fat and muscle. After losing 25lbs, my muscles are actually the same size as before & more toned because they aren't hidden by excess fat. I know this because I track the wt I use in each workout and the peak wt & rep counts have both increased.
Simple question for you which I have my own answers for but am curious as to your reasoning. I'll say up front I'm gonna debate your response if you think I'm setting you up.

Why do you need a high protein diet if you are lifting weights?

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:34 PM   #50
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Simple question for you which I have my own answers for but am curious as to your reasoning. I'll say up front I'm gonna debate your response if you think I'm setting you up.

Why do you need a high protein diet if you are lifting weights?
I don't think you're setting me up. Besides, I'm off to the gym shortly after writing this so there's no debate to be had

I'm no expert, but this is what I believe to the the case based on my own experience & reading/research:

1. Protein after weight lifting gives your muscles the branch-chain amino acids they thrive on. This promotes muscle growth and recovery.

2. Protein before lifting will give you more energy, and fights muscle fatigue and breakdown.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:45 PM   #51
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Dang this thread got shit on hard.

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Old 02-21-2007, 04:55 PM   #52
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Dang this thread got shit on hard.
I just wanted to get people talking. If others want to point out each other's shortcomings and misconceptions, that's ok w/ me. I'm just hangin' out to watch.

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Old 02-21-2007, 05:10 PM   #53
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Running 5 miles 3 times a week and lifting 2-3 times a week.

Minibike pollo on Fridays for 2-3 hours.

Good stuff.

Plus Nico's statements are all correct and I think it's rediculous to use a dictonary definition to try and prove your point. You don't go look in the dictonary for how to fix your bike, house or get in shape, thus I don't know how you can base your point off something that is meant to provide a definition of a word as opposed to the methods to achieve that definition.

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Old 02-21-2007, 05:29 PM   #54
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Running 5 miles 3 times a week and lifting 2-3 times a week.

Minibike pollo on Fridays for 2-3 hours.

Good stuff.

Plus Nico's statements are all correct and I think it's rediculous to use a dictonary definition to try and prove your point. You don't go look in the dictonary for how to fix your bike, house or get in shape, thus I don't know how you can base your point off something that is meant to provide a definition of a word as opposed to the methods to achieve that definition.
minibike pollo? interesting...what do you use for the ball and sticks?

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Old 02-21-2007, 05:29 PM   #55
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What is your explaination as to why I am wrong?
Cuz all the really fast guys weight train.

Matt #66
Ben #11 (#1)

Nicky #1 (#69)

Jaimie #1 #1

Ricky #1 (#4)

Troy #1 (#21)

I mean almost every top level rider weight trains along with cardio.

being strong is good.

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Old 02-21-2007, 05:48 PM   #56
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:22 PM   #57
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We use kids bikes, 16" wheels max. If your tall like me you can cheat and put 16" wheels on a 20" frame but it's still super small and a pain to navigate. We make our mallets out of whatever. Most are made from 2" hollow PVC pipe and handles range from wood to golf clubs. 4 a side, first to 5. We use a floor hockey ball.



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Old 02-21-2007, 06:23 PM   #58
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:31 PM   #59
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OH Buuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!! !
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Cuz all the really fast guys weight train.

Matt #66
Ben #11 (#1)

Nicky #1 (#69)

Jaimie #1 #1

Ricky #1 (#4)

Troy #1 (#21)

I mean almost every top level rider weight trains along with cardio.

being strong is good.

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Old 02-21-2007, 08:25 PM   #60
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Cuz all the really fast guys weight train.

Matt #66
Ben #11 (#1)

Nicky #1 (#69)

Jaimie #1 #1

Ricky #1 (#4)

Troy #1 (#21)

I mean almost every top level rider weight trains along with cardio.

being strong is good.

Colin Edwards doesn't weight train. Hell Colin doesn't even do aerobic training.

I believe it was in the Doctor, The Tornado and the Kentuky Kid that information about Colin came spouting out of his mouth.

Who's on fire now?

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