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DRD2 · 05-15-2007, 02:31 PM

I'm taking a look at my obligations calender, trying to pick out when I can do my first trackday

Is there a difference between the two or should I just pick whatever fits my calender better and get my ass out to the track?

Gr6yzing · 05-15-2007, 02:50 PM

2 Fast 2 Furious.

eric · 05-15-2007, 02:55 PM

I would do 2fast for your first day. I did the performance school and it was great for the first track day. I've only watched at 2 AF days and they seem to be good, except for their no cameras policy (sic), but the performance school for 2fast is great.

Velociraptor · 05-15-2007, 03:04 PM

They are both good but 2-Fast has a school. If this is your first track day then by all means DO THE SCHOOL at 2-Fast. I have done both and like them both.

DRD2 · 05-15-2007, 03:07 PM

Thanks, I've deffinitely heard a lot of good things about 2 Fast. Damn, unfortunatly Adrenaline is the only one that is really easy for me to schedule. I'm gonna see if I can get into a 2 Fast Day. "F" work!

eric · 05-15-2007, 03:08 PM

You'll have a good time either way. The school is nice for the 1st time because people are usually a little (or a lot) nervous before they go out for the first time.

Jengel451 · 05-15-2007, 03:13 PM

Check out Sullivans school or NESBA as well, there are a LOT of dates you can go to.

2Fast and NESBA are probably the two that are most oriented to the newb.

mnewell · 05-15-2007, 03:30 PM

NESBA has a school now?

Jengel451 · 05-15-2007, 03:46 PM

Sorry, we have a "classroom session" And guess what, you don't have to pay extra for it, and NESBA has a bunch of weekends that the others don't, so you don't have to take time off work. Our weekday at PR is only $125 as well.

Better?

BTW, I'll never slam any other orgnaization, and I will always push someone to 2 Fast or whatever school is out there, just so that riders can get what fits them, it's crazy how other organizations don't do that.

Diabolic · 05-15-2007, 03:46 PM

I hear 2Fast is great... too bad they are always on Wednesdays!!!

DRD2 · 05-15-2007, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jengel451

Sorry, we have a "classroom session" And guess what, you don't have to pay extra for it, and NESBA has a bunch of weekends that the others don't, so you don't have to take time off work. Our weekday at PR is only $125 as well.

Better?

BTW, I'll never slam any other orgnaization, and I will always push someone to 2 Fast or whatever school is out there, just so that riders can get what fits them, it's crazy how other organizations don't do that.

WOw, this is great. How do I get a schedule?

Jengel451 · 05-15-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by DRD2

WOw, this is great. How do I get a schedule?

Nico, where's your comprehensive list of all trackday dates in the area?

Hypnotiq · 05-15-2007, 03:56 PM

Ask and you'll receive.

Hypnotiq · 05-15-2007, 04:18 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We are very fortunate here in WA to have so many good choices for trackdays. With the number of riders "taking it to the track", there really is enough to go around.

I challenge the comments about Adreanline Freaks. Mario has done a fantastic job and really stepped things up this year. He more than tripled the number of control riders/instructors he had last year. There are a variety of riders/styles to learn from and you even have the #4 WMRRA player to holder to play with. There isn't an official classroom session but there is plenty of opportunity to learn. You can find any of these instructors before/after a session (2/3) by locating those wearing a blue instructor vest over their leathers. Ask them for help. You may also find that they have snuck up behind you and followed you for a session and then tracked you down in the pits to go over some stuff with you. One last thing is if you're a white plate expert, you have a session all to yourselves, with other white plate racers and no squidly r1 street riders.

Mario has also added a Saturday date this year and a trip to Miller Motorsports in Utah. I know he's planning even more next year.

NESBA doesn't have a specific class for begginers, however they really do cater things to the beginner rider. There is a classroom session immediately following the riders meeting and another following up one at lunch that goes over some more things. The too have control riders/instructors (wearing orange shirts/baseball caps in the pits). You can ask any of these guys, at any time for help, and they will be happy to give you a hand. Also, you may find that they do the same thing, and sneak up on you out there and then find you after the session to go over things. NESBA is the only other track day org to offer weekend events. A definate plus to those that cannot get off during the week. Not to mention $125 weekday events.

2-Fast has its 3 normal classes (100/200/300) but also has the option of a Proformance School. There is a classroom session following every on track session and you'll have the ability to try out the lean machine (which is really freaking cool) and you'll find out how much centrifigal force really holds your big ass up.

They also have a charity event they do every year, the Seattle 100, which I encourage everyone to do if they have the time to do so. It's for a really great cause.

Last you have Mike Sullivans school. There are various different levels of instruction for the street rider all the way to the novice racer and even seasoned expert. This includes ontrack instruction and classroom sessions in between taught to you by some of the fastest racers in the NW, including Mike Sullivan himself. Also available are open track time, if you are just wanting to get out and ride and aren't worried about instruction.

You really can't go wrong with any of the organizations. Find one that fits your schedule and what you're looking for and go with it. Do post up when you decide which one to do as many of us frequent a number of the track days and some of us are instructors/control riders. If you make it out to Adrenaline Freaks or NESBA, be sure to look me up. Black/Red back, #20 with black/red leathers with NICO in size 3154151 font on the back.

-Nico

DRD2 · 05-15-2007, 05:07 PM

^ HA HA, NICE! Thanks for posting up that is great!

I will definitly post up when I pick a few dates.

Thanks to everyone, you guys rock!

eric · 05-15-2007, 10:24 PM

geez nico, write a book while you're at it!

but he is right, they are all great. but I still say 2fast for your first one.

kalvyn · 05-15-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by eric

but I still say 2fast for your first one.

The Performance School is where it's at for the first-timer. After that, any of them will work!

I personally really liked Adrenaline Freaks, though I didn't actually make it the entire day. Sorry, Mario!

Jimmie

kneedragger · 05-16-2007, 07:09 PM

No, please. By all means, I would like to know the details. Seeing as I'm the owner of AF, I would really like to know what the issue is (if any) so that I can address it. If this is just a joke, I'm not too impressed as I don't approve of having my riders made out to look bad as they are not here to defend themselves.

Now, I am a huge supporter of ALL organized and licensed Track Day Companies. However, AF is ONLY a track day outfit, NOT a school. If you want to have a school type setting, then I would strongly recommend Sully's school or 2-Fast's school. You can't go wrong with either one. However, if you are looking to get FREE instruction from some of the fastest racers in the PNW, feel free to come out and ride with us. I have gone through countless resumes this last year and picked the best candidates that I felt would give our customers the best service. As of this season, we have 27 sponsored riders riding for AF, the most of ANY track day company.

At any of our track days, you can go up to an AF rider and ask for advice with things such as your lines, riding position, throttle control, braking markers, etc. All of this for FREE! I have always been open to our customers suggestions, which is why are who we are today. Now, we are human and definately NOT perfect. But I would like to make sure that everyone knows that if there are any concerns about my racers, please, let me know so that I can address them immediately. I can't fix something if I don't know about it.

Folks here in the PNW are very lucky to have some great Track Day companies such as 2-Fast, NESBA, Cascade Track Time, PSSR, Sully, and of course AF. We all strive to give our customers the most amount of track time , SAFETY measures, and affordable prices. You can't possibly go wrong with ANY of them. I encourage anyone that has an issue with a specific track day company to speak with the Directors and voice your concerns rather than bad mouth ANY of them. Just my $.02.

Cheers,

Mario

OOk · 05-16-2007, 07:49 PM

Between PR and PIR your choice of days when there are trackday events include (at some point throughout this summer):

Monday's
Wednesday's
Thursday's
Friday's
Saturday's
Sunday's

(If there's a Tuesday event hiddin in there somewhere this summer im sure Nico will point out my error.

)

That's some pretty awesome flexibility if your schedule is tight this summer!
No excuses!!!

maric_57 · 05-16-2007, 07:55 PM

one thing that no one has said about nesba is that they have a membership policy so depending on when you sign up you may spend an additional 75 bucks. there are features to the membership though......

OOk · 05-16-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by maric_57

one thing that no one has said about nesba is that they have a membership policy so depending on when you sign up you may spend an additional 75 bucks. there are features to the membership though......

However.... I'm starting year 3 as a NESBA member; the two previous years my $75 membership was credited toward my next trackday. So your $75 is not technically an 'extra' fee unless they change that policy this year.

jezterr · 05-16-2007, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by kneedragger

No, please. By all means, I would like to know the details. Seeing as I'm the owner of AF, I would really like to know what the issue is (if any) so that I can address it. If this is just a joke, I'm not too impressed as I don't approve of having my riders made out to look bad as they are not here to defend themselves.

Now, I am a huge supporter of ALL organized and licensed Track Day Companies. However, AF is ONLY a track day outfit, NOT a school. If you want to have a school type setting, then I would strongly recommend Sully's school or 2-Fast's school. You can't go wrong with either one. However, if you are looking to get FREE instruction from some of the fastest racers in the PNW, feel free to come out and ride with us. I have gone through countless resumes this last year and picked the best candidates that I felt would give our customers the best service. As of this season, we have 27 sponsored riders riding for AF, the most of ANY track day company.

At any of our track days, you can go up to an AF rider and ask for advice with things such as your lines, riding position, throttle control, braking markers, etc. All of this for FREE! I have always been open to our customers suggestions, which is why are who we are today. Now, we are human and definately NOT perfect. But I would like to make sure that everyone knows that if there are any concerns about my racers, please, let me know so that I can address them immediately. I can't fix something if I don't know about it.

Folks here in the PNW are very lucky to have some great Track Day companies such as 2-Fast, NESBA, Cascade Track Time, PSSR, Sully, and of course AF. We all strive to give our customers the most amount of track time , SAFETY measures, and affordable prices. You can't possibly go wrong with ANY of them. I encourage anyone that has an issue with a specific track day company to speak with the Directors and voice your concerns rather than bad mouth ANY of them. Just my $.02.

Cheers,

Mario

quantity of control riders does not equate to quality of control riders, and i know that some instructors that i'm aware of that volunteer for adrenaline freaks are more than qualified to be some of the best teachers out there. but there is no collection of perfect riders, especially when the group is tainted by the few that should be doing anything but giving advice or instructing, especially with the lack of experience they have on a track. keep in mind, people will throw your words back at you and will hold you responsible for saying that you have thoroughly scrutinized all your riders' track experience and expertise.

and to note, several of your riders are here and more than capable of defending themselves, if they feel they are being criticized, and, such as in nico's case, have. if anything i would hope the others would post to show their support for the organization that they are being 'sponsored' by.

Hypnotiq · 05-16-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by OOk

(If there's a Tuesday event hiddin in there somewhere this summer im sure Nico will point out my error.

)

Nope, there was only one on Tuesday this year and that was by CTT in March.

motarded · 05-17-2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by jezterr

if anything i would hope the others would post to show their support for the organization that they are being 'sponsored' by.

yes, i guess i too would like to read what this "sponsored control rider" has to say in their defense.

sorry mario, no offense, but i would like to have this issue cleared up, as the "sponsored control rider" in question lacks the skill, experience, expertise, or maturity to even be a control rider, much less critique another rider.

Lzzybeth · 05-17-2007, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by motarded

yes, i guess i too would like to read what this "sponsored control rider" has to say in their defense.

sorry mario, no offense, but i would like to have this issue cleared up, as the "sponsored control rider" in question lacks the skill, experience, expertise, or maturity to even be a control rider, much less critique another rider.

Well said, you've nailed it to a T.

Dvus · 05-17-2007, 09:45 AM

Adrenaline Freaks Rock!!! The control rider in question is between AF and Him. DOn't be dissing AF because of it.

mnewell · 05-17-2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dvus

Adrenaline Freaks Rock!!! The control rider in question is between AF and Him. DOn't be dissing AF because of it.

GixxerTek · 05-17-2007, 10:10 AM

I think like Nico stated we are lucky to have all these vendors at our disposal. I am a CR for NESBA but have done multiple AF days

and multiple 2F days

They both run good trackdays. Mario is a good guy(no matter what everybody at CycleGear say) that has even been spotted at NESBA events

Honestly the only real dictation of which one of these vendors you go with is your schedule and when your days off match up to whichever day. It isn't so important WHICH vendor you ride with as much as it is that you get out there and ride the track and gain some skills that you think you already posses

theJrod · 05-17-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by jezterr

quantity of control riders does not equate to quality of control riders, and i know that some instructors that i'm aware of that volunteer for adrenaline freaks are more than qualified to be some of the best teachers out there. but there is no collection of perfect riders, especially when the group is tainted by the few that should be doing anything but giving advice or instructing, especially with the lack of experience they have on a track. keep in mind, people will throw your words back at you and will hold you responsible for saying that you have thoroughly scrutinized all your riders' track experience and expertise.

and to note, several of your riders are here and more than capable of defending themselves, if they feel they are being criticized, and, such as in nico's case, have. if anything i would hope the others would post to show their support for the organization that they are being 'sponsored' by.

Cop-out.

If you're gunna call someone out on a public forum, have the balls to name names so they can at least defend themselves, or else keep this slander to yourself. This is just in extremely poor taste. If you have a criticism, bring it to light so it can be addressed. If you have a personal problem, keep it personal and deal with the individual. If that doesn't work, bring it up with Mario - he's a very responsive guy who's committed to providing an excellent service to his riders.

And while your comments about expert riders not neccesarily being the best teachers is fundamentally true, all of the track day orgs do their best to select instructers and control riders that are both expert riders and good teachers. This applies to each of the organizations, not just AF.

late apex · 05-17-2007, 10:23 AM

If its printed, including on line, its libel not slander. If no one is named or if there is no implication of who the person in question is, there is no case for libel. I have no idea who is being referenced, but I am curious.

yamar1 · 05-17-2007, 10:35 AM

I might be able to make an apperance at the track day on the 11th of July, but I won't have the bike - i'd just show up to meet and greet.

late apex · 05-17-2007, 10:41 AM

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richardlpalmer · 05-17-2007, 10:43 AM

Adrenaline Freaks is my favorite track day organization but in my opinon it isn't as geared to the newer track rider.

For a newer rider I'd recommend NESBA. The system they use for the first-time track rider makes for a very secure environment.

That being said, if you're an agressive street rider 2-Fast's 100 level would be more ideal as there's a bit more freedom.

I've never had any problem with AF so don't know what this is all about (the drama above). Regardless of Mario being a standup guy, friend and awesome rider/racer I've never had an issue with one of AF's control riders. Sounds like a personal problem to me...

There's one other thing to consider. Schedule...

2-Fast is your Wednesday track organization.

AF is typically Fridays, right before a race weekend.

NESBA does weekends, usually both days.

theJrod · 05-17-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by JayT

so we are not allowed to give our opinions?

Frankly, I expected more from a forum Moderator. The comment was underhanded, and just seemed to be trying to incite unnecessary drama.

jezterr · 05-17-2007, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by theJrod

Cop-out.

If you're gunna call someone out on a public forum, have the balls to name names so they can at least defend themselves, or else keep this slander to yourself. This is just in extremely poor taste. If you have a criticism, bring it to light so it can be addressed. If you have a personal problem, keep it personal and deal with the individual. If that doesn't work, bring it up with Mario - he's a very responsive guy who's committed to providing an excellent service to his riders.

And while your comments about expert riders not neccesarily being the best teachers is fundamentally true, all of the track day orgs do their best to select instructers and control riders that are both expert riders and good teachers. This applies to each of the organizations, not just AF.

i have not 'called' anyone out, just stated my opinion that not only applies to af, but applies to all track orgs. af was just used in this instance.

regardless of my position on this forum, i will state my opinion and do not feel that 'more' is expected of me, especially regarding topics that have nothing to do with the forum itself.

i don't like a movie that's being discussed on this forum. i'm an admin here and can't say the movie sucks? fuck that.

mnewell · 05-17-2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by jezterr

i have not 'called' anyone out, just stated my opinion that not only applies to af, but applies to all track orgs. af was just used in this instance.

regardless of my position on this forum, i will state my opinion and do not feel that 'more' is expected of me, especially regarding topics that have nothing to do with the forum itself.

i don't like a movie that's being discussed on this forum. i'm an admin here and can't say the movie sucks? fuck that.

You fucking pussy. Just say it. Quit trying to hide behind your computer.

In the case of AF and the control rider in questions, you're talking about Revhard. Am I right or am I fucking right?

What other trackday organizations are you referring to and what employees are you speaking of? How much experience do you have at the track anyways? I don't think I've ever seen you riding at a 2Fast day...

erickb · 05-17-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by mnewell

You fucking pussy. Just say it. Quit trying to hide behind your computer.

In the case of AF and the control rider in questions, you're talking about Revhard. Am I right or am I fucking right?

What other trackday organizations are you referring to and what employees are you speaking of? How much experience do you have at the track anyways? I don't think I've ever seen you riding at a 2Fast day...

wow, I hate to jump in on this but JR was putting his O out there and you are going off on him. I don't really understand that not to cool though IMO

mnewell · 05-17-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by erickb

wow, I hate to jump in on this but JR was putting his O out there and you are going off on him. I don't really understand that not to cool though IMO

Fuck that...

He has something to say but he hides behind a computer screen with thinly veiled references. And that's after the thread was scrubbed. It was much easier to "read between the lines" before the editing/pruning by the mods.

As for putting his "O out there", that's debateble too.

kneedragger · 05-17-2007, 02:20 PM

Ok,

First of all, I have always been a very strong advocate of SAFETY at every one of my events. I am also a big supporter of 2-Fast, NESBA, Cascade, PSSR, and Sully's school. That being said, I think that AF and 2-Fast are the ONLY two organizations that don't have JUST racers are track day staff (Control Riders, Marshalls, or what ever each one calls them).

Like any good business owner (ALL TD companies fall into this), I am always ready to hear my customers concerns/comments. I have some of the fastest racers in the PNW riding for me, but I also have NON racers out there acting as Control Riders/Marshals. The reason that I don't have JUST racers riding for me is that I want to be able to provide ALL customers the ability to feel comfortable on the track as I have seen that some are not comfortable being on the track with "Racers" and this happens with EVERY TD company. Newer customers (new to TDs) seem to feel more comfortable with another fellow rider that has riding experience than with a "racer"

Now, to the point. I have had my top racers go out and ride with ALL of my "non-racer" CRs/Ms and not one of them has EVER questioned ANY of their riding abilities or riding experience. As for the person that is being addressed on this post, he also falls into this category. I have even gone to great length to find out what is going on this said rider and the folks that have an issue with said rider and I have yet to get ANY facts that would support such negativity. All I have gotten is opinions, which I respect. But just because you don't like someone, it doesn't make them an inadequate rider. Now, I know that I will not make EVERYONE happy but I will never knowingly jeopardize my customers/staff/racers/family SAFETY.

I encourage you all to please feel free to contact me and continue to give me your thoughts/concerns/comments. But, if you are going to label one of my instructors as "inadequate", then you better have some hard facts that I can back up your claims as I don't take things lightly.

My door is always open and so is my mind. Please feel free to call me or PM me. Thanks again for your time and I really do hope that we can resolve this like adults.

Cheers,

mario

GixxerPete · 05-17-2007, 02:54 PM

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05-15-2007, 02:31 PM	#1
DRD2 Superbiker Joined: May 2006 From: W. Kent I Ride: 03' ZX6R	2 Fast or Adrenaline I'm taking a look at my obligations calender, trying to pick out when I can do my first trackday Is there a difference between the two or should I just pick whatever fits my calender better and get my ass out to the track? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-15-2007, 02:55 PM	#3
eric Slow Eric Joined: Mar 2006 From: Seattle Blog Entries: 6 I Ride: Street: Bike #1 Track: Bike #2	I would do 2fast for your first day. I did the performance school and it was great for the first track day. I've only watched at 2 AF days and they seem to be good, except for their no cameras policy (sic), but the performance school for 2fast is great. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by JayT; 05-17-2007 at 01:02 PM..


05-15-2007, 03:07 PM	#5
DRD2 Superbiker Joined: May 2006 From: W. Kent I Ride: 03' ZX6R	Thanks, I've deffinitely heard a lot of good things about 2 Fast. Damn, unfortunatly Adrenaline is the only one that is really easy for me to schedule. I'm gonna see if I can get into a 2 Fast Day. "F" work! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-15-2007, 03:08 PM	#6
eric Slow Eric Joined: Mar 2006 From: Seattle Blog Entries: 6 I Ride: Street: Bike #1 Track: Bike #2	You'll have a good time either way. The school is nice for the 1st time because people are usually a little (or a lot) nervous before they go out for the first time. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-15-2007, 03:13 PM	#7
Jengel451 At Banned Camp Joined: Jun 2006 From: Hell	Check out Sullivans school or NESBA as well, there are a LOT of dates you can go to. 2Fast and NESBA are probably the two that are most oriented to the newb. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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Velociraptor Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2006 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: 02 RC51,09 KTM 690r enduro	They are both good but 2-Fast has a school. If this is your first track day then by all means DO THE SCHOOL at 2-Fast. I have done both and like them both. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


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05-15-2007, 03:46 PM	#9
Jengel451 At Banned Camp Joined: Jun 2006 From: Hell	Sorry, we have a "classroom session" And guess what, you don't have to pay extra for it, and NESBA has a bunch of weekends that the others don't, so you don't have to take time off work. Our weekday at PR is only $125 as well. Better? BTW, I'll never slam any other orgnaization, and I will always push someone to 2 Fast or whatever school is out there, just so that riders can get what fits them, it's crazy how other organizations don't do that. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Jengel451; 05-15-2007 at 03:48 PM..


05-15-2007, 03:46 PM	#10
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05-15-2007, 04:18 PM	#14
Hypnotiq MotoGP Contender Joined: Oct 2005 From: Issaquah, WA I Ride: Race: 06GSXR750 - Street: 09 Eight Four Eight	I've said it before and I'll say it again. We are very fortunate here in WA to have so many good choices for trackdays. With the number of riders "taking it to the track", there really is enough to go around. I challenge the comments about Adreanline Freaks. Mario has done a fantastic job and really stepped things up this year. He more than tripled the number of control riders/instructors he had last year. There are a variety of riders/styles to learn from and you even have the #4 WMRRA player to holder to play with. There isn't an official classroom session but there is plenty of opportunity to learn. You can find any of these instructors before/after a session (2/3) by locating those wearing a blue instructor vest over their leathers. Ask them for help. You may also find that they have snuck up behind you and followed you for a session and then tracked you down in the pits to go over some stuff with you. One last thing is if you're a white plate expert, you have a session all to yourselves, with other white plate racers and no squidly r1 street riders. Mario has also added a Saturday date this year and a trip to Miller Motorsports in Utah. I know he's planning even more next year. NESBA doesn't have a specific class for begginers, however they really do cater things to the beginner rider. There is a classroom session immediately following the riders meeting and another following up one at lunch that goes over some more things. The too have control riders/instructors (wearing orange shirts/baseball caps in the pits). You can ask any of these guys, at any time for help, and they will be happy to give you a hand. Also, you may find that they do the same thing, and sneak up on you out there and then find you after the session to go over things. NESBA is the only other track day org to offer weekend events. A definate plus to those that cannot get off during the week. Not to mention $125 weekday events. 2-Fast has its 3 normal classes (100/200/300) but also has the option of a Proformance School. There is a classroom session following every on track session and you'll have the ability to try out the lean machine (which is really freaking cool) and you'll find out how much centrifigal force really holds your big ass up. They also have a charity event they do every year, the Seattle 100, which I encourage everyone to do if they have the time to do so. It's for a really great cause. Last you have Mike Sullivans school. There are various different levels of instruction for the street rider all the way to the novice racer and even seasoned expert. This includes ontrack instruction and classroom sessions in between taught to you by some of the fastest racers in the NW, including Mike Sullivan himself. Also available are open track time, if you are just wanting to get out and ride and aren't worried about instruction. You really can't go wrong with any of the organizations. Find one that fits your schedule and what you're looking for and go with it. Do post up when you decide which one to do as many of us frequent a number of the track days and some of us are instructors/control riders. If you make it out to Adrenaline Freaks or NESBA, be sure to look me up. Black/Red back, #20 with black/red leathers with NICO in size 3154151 font on the back. -Nico __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-15-2007, 05:07 PM	#15
DRD2 Superbiker Joined: May 2006 From: W. Kent I Ride: 03' ZX6R	^ HA HA, NICE! Thanks for posting up that is great! I will definitly post up when I pick a few dates. Thanks to everyone, you guys rock! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-15-2007, 10:24 PM	#16
eric Slow Eric Joined: Mar 2006 From: Seattle Blog Entries: 6 I Ride: Street: Bike #1 Track: Bike #2	geez nico, write a book while you're at it! but he is right, they are all great. but I still say 2fast for your first one. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-16-2007, 07:09 PM	#18
kneedragger Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2006 From: tacoma I Ride: '06 GSX-R750	No, please. By all means, I would like to know the details. Seeing as I'm the owner of AF, I would really like to know what the issue is (if any) so that I can address it. If this is just a joke, I'm not too impressed as I don't approve of having my riders made out to look bad as they are not here to defend themselves. Now, I am a huge supporter of ALL organized and licensed Track Day Companies. However, AF is ONLY a track day outfit, NOT a school. If you want to have a school type setting, then I would strongly recommend Sully's school or 2-Fast's school. You can't go wrong with either one. However, if you are looking to get FREE instruction from some of the fastest racers in the PNW, feel free to come out and ride with us. I have gone through countless resumes this last year and picked the best candidates that I felt would give our customers the best service. As of this season, we have 27 sponsored riders riding for AF, the most of ANY track day company. At any of our track days, you can go up to an AF rider and ask for advice with things such as your lines, riding position, throttle control, braking markers, etc. All of this for FREE! I have always been open to our customers suggestions, which is why are who we are today. Now, we are human and definately NOT perfect. But I would like to make sure that everyone knows that if there are any concerns about my racers, please, let me know so that I can address them immediately. I can't fix something if I don't know about it. Folks here in the PNW are very lucky to have some great Track Day companies such as 2-Fast, NESBA, Cascade Track Time, PSSR, Sully, and of course AF. We all strive to give our customers the most amount of track time , SAFETY measures, and affordable prices. You can't possibly go wrong with ANY of them. I encourage anyone that has an issue with a specific track day company to speak with the Directors and voice your concerns rather than bad mouth ANY of them. Just my $.02. Cheers, Mario __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by JayT; 05-17-2007 at 01:04 PM..


05-16-2007, 07:49 PM	#19
OOk beansbaxter is too lazy to come up with something but he will get to it, eventually... Joined: Sep 2005 From: kerklund Blog Entries: 31	Between PR and PIR your choice of days when there are trackday events include (at some point throughout this summer): Monday's Wednesday's Thursday's Friday's Saturday's Sunday's (If there's a Tuesday event hiddin in there somewhere this summer im sure Nico will point out my error. ) That's some pretty awesome flexibility if your schedule is tight this summer! No excuses!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-16-2007, 07:55 PM	#20
maric_57 Zone Head Joined: Jul 2006 From: meridian, idaho I Ride: gsxr 750 / husqvarna smr450	one thing that no one has said about nesba is that they have a membership policy so depending on when you sign up you may spend an additional 75 bucks. there are features to the membership though...... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 09:45 AM	#26
Dvus Superbiker Joined: Mar 2005 From: Puyallup Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: with the usual suspects	Adrenaline Freaks Rock!!! The control rider in question is between AF and Him. DOn't be dissing AF because of it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 10:10 AM	#28
GixxerTek GixxerTek Joined: Apr 2006 From: Tacoma I Ride: 2 Race Types and 1 Tard @ NESBA Events	I think like Nico stated we are lucky to have all these vendors at our disposal. I am a CR for NESBA but have done multiple AF days and multiple 2F days They both run good trackdays. Mario is a good guy(no matter what everybody at CycleGear say) that has even been spotted at NESBA events Honestly the only real dictation of which one of these vendors you go with is your schedule and when your days off match up to whichever day. It isn't so important WHICH vendor you ride with as much as it is that you get out there and ride the track and gain some skills that you think you already posses __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 10:23 AM	#30
late apex MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2005 From: moscow, id Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: one handed, looking behind me.	If its printed, including on line, its libel not slander. If no one is named or if there is no implication of who the person in question is, there is no case for libel. I have no idea who is being referenced, but I am curious. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 10:35 AM	#31
yamar1 MotoGP Champion Joined: Mar 2006 From: Newport News, Virgina I Ride: 2004 R1	I might be able to make an apperance at the track day on the 11th of July, but I won't have the bike - i'd just show up to meet and greet. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 10:41 AM	#32
late apex MotoGP Contender Joined: Jul 2005 From: moscow, id Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: one handed, looking behind me.	slan·der (slān'dər) Pronunciation Key n. 1. Law; Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 10:43 AM	#33
richardlpalmer Forum Leader Joined: Nov 2005 From: Kirkland, WA	Adrenaline Freaks is my favorite track day organization but in my opinon it isn't as geared to the newer track rider. For a newer rider I'd recommend NESBA. The system they use for the first-time track rider makes for a very secure environment. That being said, if you're an agressive street rider 2-Fast's 100 level would be more ideal as there's a bit more freedom. I've never had any problem with AF so don't know what this is all about (the drama above). Regardless of Mario being a standup guy, friend and awesome rider/racer I've never had an issue with one of AF's control riders. Sounds like a personal problem to me... There's one other thing to consider. Schedule... 2-Fast is your Wednesday track organization. AF is typically Fridays, right before a race weekend. NESBA does weekends, usually both days. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 02:20 PM	#39
kneedragger Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2006 From: tacoma I Ride: '06 GSX-R750	Ok, First of all, I have always been a very strong advocate of SAFETY at every one of my events. I am also a big supporter of 2-Fast, NESBA, Cascade, PSSR, and Sully's school. That being said, I think that AF and 2-Fast are the ONLY two organizations that don't have JUST racers are track day staff (Control Riders, Marshalls, or what ever each one calls them). Like any good business owner (ALL TD companies fall into this), I am always ready to hear my customers concerns/comments. I have some of the fastest racers in the PNW riding for me, but I also have NON racers out there acting as Control Riders/Marshals. The reason that I don't have JUST racers riding for me is that I want to be able to provide ALL customers the ability to feel comfortable on the track as I have seen that some are not comfortable being on the track with "Racers" and this happens with EVERY TD company. Newer customers (new to TDs) seem to feel more comfortable with another fellow rider that has riding experience than with a "racer" Now, to the point. I have had my top racers go out and ride with ALL of my "non-racer" CRs/Ms and not one of them has EVER questioned ANY of their riding abilities or riding experience. As for the person that is being addressed on this post, he also falls into this category. I have even gone to great length to find out what is going on this said rider and the folks that have an issue with said rider and I have yet to get ANY facts that would support such negativity. All I have gotten is opinions, which I respect. But just because you don't like someone, it doesn't make them an inadequate rider. Now, I know that I will not make EVERYONE happy but I will never knowingly jeopardize my customers/staff/racers/family SAFETY. I encourage you all to please feel free to contact me and continue to give me your thoughts/concerns/comments. But, if you are going to label one of my instructors as "inadequate", then you better have some hard facts that I can back up your claims as I don't take things lightly. My door is always open and so is my mind. Please feel free to call me or PM me. Thanks again for your time and I really do hope that we can resolve this like adults. Cheers, mario __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


05-17-2007, 02:54 PM	#40
GixxerPete Forum Synopsizer Joined: Jul 2006 From: Point Lookout I Ride: 08 KLR650, 06 DRZ400SM, 04 CRF250X, 03 XR50	I like cheese __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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