PNW Riders

PeteN95 · 11-25-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Essvar

used amb's come up from time to time, usually go for around 275-300.

Holy crap!?!? How can a transponder cost more than a Power Commander?!

Nex · 11-25-2008, 09:49 AM

Easy, no economy of scale. How many transponders do you think they sell a year vs. how many PCIIIs...

Hawker · 11-25-2008, 11:07 AM

Speaking from the perspective of someone that has already gone through this transition with a club (CMRA circa 2004ish), the AMB stuff is really worth the money. Yes, it's not cheap, but motorcycle road racing isn't a cheap sport. This is about the cost of one set of tires. Aside from some class structure stuff, you guys can race for much less than most of the rest of the country (transportation and hotel costs add up visiting tracks up to 500 miles away two or four times per year).

Id Also STRONGLY recommend getting the rechargeable units. The wired units add one more thing to break and fly off in a major crash.

Nico : have you guys addressed mounting options? The front fork worked great. Its one of the most protective locations for the (expensive!) transponder.

Hawker · 11-25-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hypnotiq

...
I don't know about the Tranx160's.
...
Thanks,
-Nico

I do, they won't work reliably on a motorcycle.

late apex · 11-25-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hawker

Aside from some class structure stuff, you guys can race for much less than most of the rest of the country (transportation and hotel costs add up visiting tracks up to 500 miles away two or four times per year).

Yeah, its only 300 miles for some of us to attend race weekends in seattle. Lots cheaper.

ricksr6 · 11-25-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Nex

So they are virtually limiting transponder resale, that's awesome!

I bought a used Transponder a few years back. All you have to do is have the previous owner unregister it and your good to go and get registered.

nocontrol74 · 11-25-2008, 12:30 PM

The official AMB FAQ on used transponders.

http://www.amb-it.com/looking-used-t...der-i-168.html

theJrod · 11-25-2008, 12:37 PM

Yeah so... where do you mount them?

I guess all those ugly holes in my tail can be filled now!

misfitR6 · 11-25-2008, 12:48 PM

Essvar · 11-25-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by theJrod

Yeah so... where do you mount them?

I guess all those ugly holes in my tail can be filled now!

The recommended location is the front fork tube. This location is often required per the clubs rulebook.

I have heard of the AMB emergency rocket launcher location... In the event of a close race, just shoot your amb ahead of the competition!

Hawker · 11-25-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by late apex

Yeah, its only 300 miles for some of us to attend race weekends in seattle. Lots cheaper.

Sure is. Cali and Texas run two more race weekends than WMRRA too.

I'll bet you're also a serious outlier in the population of WMRRA. What % of the club is from the Seattle area?

You don't have to spend the money to practice 10 different track configurations/setups to be competitive.

Racing in Seattle isn't cheap, no road racing is, but the financial burden to run as a mid-pack expert is less, by a chunk of change, than other comparable clubs.

Hawker · 11-25-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by theJrod

Yeah so... where do you mount them?

I guess all those ugly holes in my tail can be filled now!

Fork tube FTW.

Play with using hose Clamps. I vaguely remember something about proximity to ferris metal, but it's been awhile.

dakh · 11-25-2008, 04:31 PM

Buttonwillow and Thunderhill aren't that far (THill is closer than SRP AFAIR and Buttonwillow about as far as SRP) and Infineon is almost as close to SF as Pacific to Seattle.

tophyr · 11-25-2008, 04:36 PM

Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Thunderhill Raceway Park
676 mi – about 10 hours 42 mins

Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Spokane Raceway Park Inc
283 mi – about 4 hours 15 mins

dakh · 11-25-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by tophyr

Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Thunderhill Raceway Park
676 mi – about 10 hours 42 mins

Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Spokane Raceway Park Inc
283 mi – about 4 hours 15 mins

Most people who race with AFM live in the Bay Area, not in Seattle

tophyr · 11-25-2008, 05:14 PM

Ah, I wasn't aware we were talking about AFM

bigtbone · 11-25-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by bigtbone

...BTW, my preliminary guess is a fast lap around 1:38.....we'll see how far off (or close) I am.....

Just watched a video with a pos old racecar and the lap was about 2:20....... better get sun dials for the vintage clappers

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by bigtbone

Just watched a video with a pos old racecar and the lap was about 2:20....... better get sun dials for the vintage clappers

Doesn't that video just get the juicies flowing? Looks like the track has some point and shot corners along with some flowing ones and a couple of places your are really gonna have to be able to change direction quickly with the bike.

Can't wait!

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by tophyr

Ah, I wasn't aware we were talking about AFM

You still have to factor in traffic. Thunder Hill is about 4-5 hours from the South Bay Area. Button Willow is about the same. Infenion is a good 3 hours from the same place (mostly due to traffic).

Still not sure why with 4 tracks in the area (yes include ORP now) (in the US) there are two motorcycle racing clubs when it should really just be one with a common set of rules.

dakh · 11-25-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Sunshine

You still have to factor in traffic. Thunder Hill is about 4-5 hours from the South Bay Area. Button Willow is about the same. Infenion is a good 3 hours from the same place (mostly due to traffic).

Still not sure why with 4 tracks in the area (yes include ORP now) (in the US) there are two motorcycle racing clubs when it should really just be one with a common set of rules.

Traffic? It's not LA, there's no traffic from SF to wine country at 6AM on Saturday morning. May hit a few spots on the way back in the evening, but not that likely and there's two-person carpool in most of the places that can be bad.

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Traffic? It's not LA, there's no traffic from SF to wine country at 6AM on Saturday morning. May hit a few spots on the way back in the evening, but not that likely and there's two-person carpool in most of the places that can be bad.

You seriously typed that? Really?

Everytime I've been down there are various times of the day I was glad I was on a motorcycle or I'd be stuck in traffic. Actually last year I did go down with my motorhome and trailer...only got stuck in a few traffic jams in the East Bay.

Also in California if you are towing a trailer you are not allowed in the carpool lanes. This is something they actually enforce. Since most people tow a trailer to the track...this puts them out of the carpool lanes.

How much time have you spent in the Bay Area?

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 07:22 PM

Some distance numbers

San Jose to Buttonwillow
215mi

San Jose to Thunder Hill
171mi

San Jose to Infineon
95mi

ammo67 · 11-25-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Sunshine

You seriously typed that? Really?

Everytime I've been down there are various times of the day I was glad I was on a motorcycle or I'd be stuck in traffic. Actually last year I did go down with my motorhome and trailer...only got stuck in a few traffic jams in the East Bay.

Also in California if you are towing a trailer you are not allowed in the carpool lanes. This is something they actually enforce. Since most people tow a trailer to the track...this puts them out of the carpool lanes.

How much time have you spent in the Bay Area?

If you are comparing costs, don't forget that finding a place to live will cost you a ridiculous amount. Twice that if you want enough room to store a trailer. Oh yeah, and tolls, and state tax.

Don't forget, San Jose is the 'big city' part of the South Bay. The outlying areas are where you will be finding homes etc. Add more mileage for that.

ammo67 · 11-25-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Traffic? It's not LA, there's no traffic from SF to wine country at 6AM on Saturday morning. May hit a few spots on the way back in the evening, but not that likely and there's two-person carpool in most of the places that can be bad.

And most of the Bay Area (SF, Oakland) is a 3 person carpool.

dakh · 11-25-2008, 07:57 PM

Ok, enough of this BS - driving to the tracks in NorCal is pretty close to what we've got here between Pacific, SRP and Portland. That's all I have to say on the subject.

And yea, I'll probably be missing one WMRRA round due to this AMB deal, but oh well at least there's hope I won't need to run around looking for people who can sign a paper stating that I finished the race in front of them ever again.

Harp · 11-25-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

... but oh well at least there's hope I won't need to run around looking for people who can sign a paper stating that I finished the race in front of them ever again.

It still happens, just not as often...usually because you forget to install the transponder on your bike.

Harp · 11-25-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Hawker

Fork tube FTW.

Play with using hose Clamps. I vaguely remember something about proximity to ferris metal, but it's been awhile.

They come with a mounting bracket that is designed to be zip-tied to the fork tube...works great.

dakh · 11-25-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Harp

It still happens, just not as often...usually because you forget to install the transponder on your bike.

So much for perferring the non-wired version of it

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Harp

It still happens, just not as often...usually because you forget to install the transponder on your bike.

There are other reasons why it'll happen. The reason you had to do it this year is cause your transponder was busted and you never got it fixed.

Will · 11-25-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Sunshine

Also in California if you are towing a trailer you are not allowed in the carpool lanes. This is something they actually enforce. Since most people tow a trailer to the track...this puts them out of the carpool lanes.

One more reason to love the blingin' hooptie van.

Mr Sunshine · 11-25-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Will

One more reason to love the blingin' hooptie van.

That thing pollutes so much I bet they'd impound it.

Will · 11-26-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Sunshine

That thing pollutes so much I bet they'd impound it.

Hey, it is making Seattle into a tropical paradise! You think I like riding in the hail in March and the snow in April?

Mr Sunshine · 11-26-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Will

Hey, it is making Seattle into a tropical paradise! You think I like riding in the hail in March and the snow in April?

Come on south with me and the gang in April to Vegas. It's gonna be close to the perfect time of year to ride there.

ngng · 11-27-2008, 12:36 PM

damnit

Geoff4RFC · 11-27-2008, 01:41 PM

Excellent, OMRRA and WMRRA on par with scoring.

Nex · 12-01-2008, 03:27 PM

Just saw Tranx260 go fo $315 on eBay. Price for used is close to what Nico negotiated for us new.

cee-jay · 12-01-2008, 03:57 PM

Talked to the rep today.

If you have a used one you can use it under the previous owner's name IF you got his/her login and password information for mylaps.com. There is no registry-re-title, nor did it sound like there would be one in the near future.

The other option is using it as-is, not using mylaps.com. Will still record your lap times for whatever WMMRA chooses to post on the board.

The other option is to trade it in for a 40% discount on a new one (registered in your name) and free shipping. That ran $252.

LauraLynne · 12-01-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hypnotiq

Pacific has a wire in it. That is not an issue. Spokane will be taken care of once they complete the management transfer. Trust me, it wasn't overlooked.

Where is the loop at Pacific? Any bike over 160 mph at the loop will have problems registering with the system according to the website.

Mr Sunshine · 12-01-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by LauraLynne

Where is the loop at Pacific? Any bike over 160 mph at the loop will have problems registering with the system according to the website.

Last I checked the wire is located here (look for two white lines in picture. this is Eli on a 600 several years ago. the speedo is accurate. remember he's not in a draft nor on a bigger bike). Now I'm not in the loop (no pun intended) but the plans might not have this loop in use but another one that has to be installed (unless it has been done since the last race weekend of this year)

Anybody know how the transponder works? I do.

Oh wait..there is also another loop coming out the bus stop...but sometimes people are still in a massive wheelie when they cross it. Not something normal but still an issue as it brings the transponder more than 4' off the ground.

theJrod · 12-01-2008, 08:08 PM

There is another loop near the grand stands - well past the typical wheelie zone. Not sure if that's it though.


11-25-2008, 09:49 AM	#42
Nex Pit Crew Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle I Ride: 2002 RSV Mille & 2003 YZF-R6 & 2006 DRZ250	Easy, no economy of scale. How many transponders do you think they sell a year vs. how many PCIIIs... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 11:07 AM	#43
Hawker Pit Crew Joined: Apr 2006 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: Too many	Speaking from the perspective of someone that has already gone through this transition with a club (CMRA circa 2004ish), the AMB stuff is really worth the money. Yes, it's not cheap, but motorcycle road racing isn't a cheap sport. This is about the cost of one set of tires. Aside from some class structure stuff, you guys can race for much less than most of the rest of the country (transportation and hotel costs add up visiting tracks up to 500 miles away two or four times per year). Id Also STRONGLY recommend getting the rechargeable units. The wired units add one more thing to break and fly off in a major crash. Nico : have you guys addressed mounting options? The front fork worked great. Its one of the most protective locations for the (expensive!) transponder. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Hawker; 11-25-2008 at 11:11 AM..


11-25-2008, 12:30 PM	#47
nocontrol74 MotoGP Contender Joined: May 2007 From: Spokane, WA Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 06 SV Race Bike - As soon as I have a job...	The official AMB FAQ on used transponders. http://www.amb-it.com/looking-used-t...der-i-168.html __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 12:37 PM	#48
theJrod Moderator Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer!	Yeah so... where do you mount them? I guess all those ugly holes in my tail can be filled now! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 12:48 PM	#49
misfitR6 Streetfighter Joined: Jun 2006 From: pullman, WA Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 04' yamaha R6 race, wr250x street	fuck __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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11-25-2008, 04:31 PM	#53
dakh Superbiker Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	Buttonwillow and Thunderhill aren't that far (THill is closer than SRP AFAIR and Buttonwillow about as far as SRP) and Infineon is almost as close to SF as Pacific to Seattle. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by dakh; 11-25-2008 at 04:33 PM..


11-25-2008, 04:36 PM	#54
tophyr Forum Cripple Joined: Dec 2005 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: Monsters by Fuzzy	Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Thunderhill Raceway Park 676 mi – about 10 hours 42 mins Driving directions from Seattle, WA to Spokane Raceway Park Inc 283 mi – about 4 hours 15 mins __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 05:14 PM	#56
tophyr Forum Cripple Joined: Dec 2005 From: Seattle, WA Blog Entries: 13 I Ride: Monsters by Fuzzy	Ah, I wasn't aware we were talking about AFM __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 07:22 PM	#62
Mr Sunshine Superbiker Joined: Dec 2006 From: Close enough to Redmond, Wa I Ride: 2003 SV650S (race), 2003 KTM 400EXC, 2000 Zuma Scooter	Some distance numbers San Jose to Buttonwillow 215mi San Jose to Thunder Hill 171mi San Jose to Infineon 95mi __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-25-2008, 07:57 PM	#65
dakh Superbiker Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	Ok, enough of this BS - driving to the tracks in NorCal is pretty close to what we've got here between Pacific, SRP and Portland. That's all I have to say on the subject. And yea, I'll probably be missing one WMRRA round due to this AMB deal, but oh well at least there's hope I won't need to run around looking for people who can sign a paper stating that I finished the race in front of them ever again. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-27-2008, 12:36 PM	#74
ngng Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2007 From: Kirkland, WA I Ride: slowly	damnit __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


11-27-2008, 01:41 PM	#75
Geoff4RFC Zone Head Joined: Mar 2007 From: Tacoma, WA I Ride: Paulson's GSX-R 600, Ricks R6, Chris's CBR600, Dave's RC51, SB Motorsports SV650, Rhett's GSX-R1000 and Gary B's R6	Excellent, OMRRA and WMRRA on par with scoring. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


12-01-2008, 03:27 PM	#76
Nex Pit Crew Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle I Ride: 2002 RSV Mille & 2003 YZF-R6 & 2006 DRZ250	Just saw Tranx260 go fo $315 on eBay. Price for used is close to what Nico negotiated for us new. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


12-01-2008, 03:57 PM	#77
cee-jay sctnabt Joined: Mar 2006 From: Genesee, Idaho I Ride: '05 Kaw Z750	Talked to the rep today. If you have a used one you can use it under the previous owner's name IF you got his/her login and password information for mylaps.com. There is no registry-re-title, nor did it sound like there would be one in the near future. The other option is using it as-is, not using mylaps.com. Will still record your lap times for whatever WMMRA chooses to post on the board. The other option is to trade it in for a 40% discount on a new one (registered in your name) and free shipping. That ran $252. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


12-01-2008, 08:08 PM	#80
theJrod Moderator Joined: Feb 2006 From: Marysville, WA I Ride: Scooty Puff Sr: The Doom-Bringer!	There is another loop near the grand stands - well past the typical wheelie zone. Not sure if that's it though. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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