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pscook · 10-15-2009, 06:02 PM

Hey, everyone. I put the YZ426 back to dirt trim, and I think that I want to replace the rear, and probably the front as well. What's a good combination for Tahuya, Reiter, etc.? Not much of the loose stuff there, as I remember, mostly hard trails with some surface junk. I have a Dunlop 736 right now, is that any good? It has wide spaced knobs, and I remember that it tended to spin up pretty easy on hard stuff the one time that I took it out.

What do you trail guys recommend for my situation? And, what pressures should I run?

Devil_Doc · 10-15-2009, 06:19 PM

Another tire thread? Really..?

dakh · 10-15-2009, 07:49 PM

Phil... I have a slightly used trials tire... You know the price... In fact I have two but I want to try one myself at some point.

dakh · 10-15-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

Another tire thread? Really..?

Nice avatar

pscook · 10-15-2009, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

Another tire thread? Really..?

Show me a tire thread in this section that is not focused on Motards then I will take your attitude under advisement. There was one 4 months ago, but it was about motard tires. There was another back in February, but it was for a vintage bike. How about this gem from last December? Oh, it wasn't about 19" tires, right. Sorry.

So, yes, yet another tire thread, just like every single other tire thread about 19" rear tires for an MX bike on trails in Washington. If you can show me a thread that answers my question, I will bow to your extreme Trail Time forum-fu. It's called due diligence. I did mine and you, obviously, didn't do yours.

pscook · 10-15-2009, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Phil... I have a slightly used trials tire... You know the price... In fact I have two but I want to try one myself at some point.

19" tire? That would be cool to find a 19" trials tire. Did not know they existed. And what the hell was that awesome beer that you gave me last year? I gave away the last bottle (for tires, naturally), and forgot to write it down.

dakh · 10-15-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by pscook

19" tire? That would be cool to find a 19" trials tire. Did not know they existed. And what the hell was that awesome beer that you gave me last year? I gave away the last bottle (for tires, naturally), and forgot to write it down.

Well shit, I have too much of that substance in me to pay attention. Of course those buggers are 18", sorry. AFAIR I brought the White Rascal, that was my favorite at the time. Pete's market has more

Let me know once you have your bike converted, we ride pretty regularly. Not sure if that's going to continue though with Reiter out for the winter, I was kinda hoping to put lights on and ride after work, but everything else is just too damn far away to do that. Maybe Ravensdale but that place is scetchy to ride even during the day..

Jet City Racer · 10-15-2009, 08:37 PM

Phil, The new Dunlop MX31 Geomax is the foshizzle on soft terrain. Get the MX51 for intermediate dirt. Just remember in 30 days it will all be mud.

pscook · 10-15-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jet City Racer

Phil, The new Dunlop MX31 Geomax is the foshizzle on soft terrain. Get the MX51 for intermediate dirt. Just remember in 30 days it will all be mud.

That is the replacement for the 756 and 952, right? I have read good things about the last generation, but not much about the 31 and 51. Are they good for up here? Do they clean themselves pretty well or are they clumpers that will fill up and get slick? I commute year round, and I play in the dirt/mud year round. Rain keeps away the posers and quads, so the winter time is my favorite for riding.

Dimitry- If I get an 18" wheel I will probably lean towards the trials tire, but if I find a good 19" tire then I will stick with that for now. I'm cheap, remember? White rascal? Is there a girl on the bottle? If you can find it again let me know.

pscook · 10-15-2009, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Well shit, I have too much of that substance in me to pay attention. Of course those buggers are 18", sorry. AFAIR I brought the White Rascal, that was my favorite at the time. Pete's market has more

Let me know once you have your bike converted, we ride pretty regularly. Not sure if that's going to continue though with Reiter out for the winter, I was kinda hoping to put lights on and ride after work, but everything else is just too damn far away to do that. Maybe Ravensdale but that place is scetchy to ride even during the day..

Tahuya on weekends. See above that rain keeps the lightweights away, and it also keeps the dust down.

dakh · 10-15-2009, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by pscook

Dimitry- If I get an 18" wheel I will probably lean towards the trials tire, but if I find a good 19" tire then I will stick with that for now. I'm cheap, remember? White rascal? Is there a girl on the bottle? If you can find it again let me know.

Rim and spokes shouldn't be that expensive, or sell your 19 and buy an 18.. There's a devilish looking thing on the bottle with a long tail. I don't have to look for it, just walk 50 yards and have 9 bucks in my pocket

Will make sure to bring some next time we ride.

Jet City Racer · 10-15-2009, 09:59 PM

If you're riding on pavement they will be destroyed in a week.

For that, I'd get the 606. They don't make it in a 19" though.

The Pirelli MT21 is available in a 19" as is the Kenda K760. Both good tires for the price and the Kenda has a nice open lug design that self cleans well.

Inspector · 10-16-2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

Another tire thread? Really..?

SWEET! We got another dirt rider

PeteN95 · 10-16-2009, 10:35 AM

I used to like the Michelin M12 front/S12 rear, but now I have an 18 and the glorious trials tire!

mcjunky · 10-16-2009, 10:43 AM

I really like the michelin m-12's.....but I'm an eastsider

pscook · 10-16-2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by PeteN95

I used to like the Michelin M12 front/S12 rear, but now I have an 18 and the glorious trials tire!

That's just showing off.

Originally Posted by mcjunky

I really like the michelin m-12's.....but I'm an eastsider

Hard pack, loose sand, mud? I have heard good stuff about the m-12's, I guess that it's just a matter of me getting off my lazy butt and trying different tires.

theJrod · 10-16-2009, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by pscook

It's called due diligence. I did mine and you, obviously, didn't do yours.

zing

DRS · 10-16-2009, 10:58 AM

the mt-16 is a phenomnal tire in all northwest areas/conditions.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx

i've been switching up the scorpion front with the mt-16 front, but have stuck with the mt-16 on the rear and i have another brand new one just waiting to go on.

to add, these are some combos i've run just in the last few years, have many hours on various combinations of fronts and rears from the below list.

front:
s12, m12, scopion pro, mt21, mt16

rear:
s12, m12, mt43, d803, x11, scorpion pro, mt16

mcjunky · 10-16-2009, 11:27 AM

Hard pack, loose sand, mud?

Well they work great at juniper which is all sand, Batey Bould which is extremely technical tight & rocky and christmas hills which is the slickest clay/mud I have ever seen.
They are a pretty tall spread lug with directional scoop lugs on the outside, they really shine in the mud and sand but still do a great job on the rocks/roots.
I seemed to lunch the s-12 alot faster than the m and the m really held up to my kx500.

mcjunky · 10-16-2009, 11:31 AM

M-12

I've also run the starcross with good results but prefer the m-12

dakh · 10-16-2009, 12:06 PM

M-12 is definitely working better for me compared to a stock Dunlop whatever number (756?) from CRF250X. There are a few places I've tested them back to back on the uphill and I was able to get going quite easily from a stop on my 200 but the CRF was very far from hooking up enough for forward motion, just dug holes and stayed in place.

DRS · 10-16-2009, 12:40 PM

hours of experience talking in this thread.. pay close attention.

Hawker · 10-16-2009, 01:21 PM

I've run mostly S-12 and M-12, trials tires, but have experimented with everything from 756s Maxxis, etc. S-12 rears wear out to fast, the m-12s don't work as well as a trails tire ever or the s-12 when new. Maxxis IT wears like iorn, but you give up grip (rather have a trials tire). The 756 is an okay desert/play tire, but I wouldn't buy another one.

I think the best combo for trail riding is an s-12 or scorpion pro front and trials rear. Someone makes a 19" trials tire for the rear, go look at the multiple trials tire threads in the NW forum on TT for who.

For more aggressive riding and racing in more open stuff, I think I'm going to like the scorpion pro front with the mt-16 rear.

If I had my druthers I'd own a set of tubliss equipped rims with a scorpion pro front, and two rears : one with a trials tire and one with an mt-16.

DRS · 10-16-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

There are a few places I've tested them back to back on the uphill and I was able to get going quite easily from a stop on my 200 but the CRF was very far from hooking up enough for forward motion, just dug holes and stayed in place.

i seriously doubt your riding issues have anything to do with tire selection.

if you'd quit blaming your slowness and other issues on equipment and setup and just ride, you would improve faster. you did the same thing when you were in road racing, you're doing the same thing in dirt and supermoto.

you can't improve by just analyzing to death every single granular movement and adjustment in your riding style or the bike, before you even have any real experience... sometimes its just better to shut the fuck up and just ride...

your equipment testing scenarios just crack me up, please explain again the time you were practicing obstacle clearing out on the rain soaked sidewalk in front of your house.

always good for a mid-day chuckle.. danka

Arnbo · 10-16-2009, 02:05 PM

perfect

dakh · 10-16-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by DRS

i seriously doubt your riding issues have anything to do with tire selection.

if you'd quit blaming your slowness and other issues on equipment and setup and just ride, you would improve faster. you did the same thing when you were in road racing, you're doing the same thing in dirt and supermoto.

you can't improve by just analyzing to death every single granular movement and adjustment in your riding style or the bike, before you even have any real experience... sometimes its just better to shut the fuck up and just ride...

your equipment testing scenarios just crack me up, please explain again the time you were practicing obstacle clearing out on the rain soaked sidewalk in front of your house.

always good for a mid-day chuckle.. danka

What's going on, did you get off your meds again?

Your only excuse is it's a tire thread.

GixxerPete · 10-16-2009, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

What's going on, did you get off your meds again?

Your only excuse is it's a tire thread.

I'm guessing it has something to do with people who have limited experience let alone real skill giving out advice like they're experts on the subject when they don't even have a frame of reference in which to base their opinions.

DRS · 10-16-2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

What's going on, did you get off your meds again?

Your only excuse is it's a tire thread.

do i honestly need to point out the comedic value in someone like you giving advice on tires? at least you admit you've only ridden on one other tire besides the stock one.. i'll give you that.

or maybe tell us again the story of why it took you 3 hours to make one 8 mile lap on the frostbite course at reiter, even the 15 and under girls were faster around.... think the only guy slower than you was a 75yr old man on a dr350... i think the excuse you gave was something like you were turning around and going back to hit certain obstacles more than once, for practice purposes... which contradicts all your initial justification you gave for being a complete newb with zero experience, but still wanting to do an off-road race, think you said it was appealing because everyone is going the same direction on the trail and thus, making it a much safer ride.. as if you go fast enough for someone coming the other way not to see you.. i just really enjoy reading your bizarre anecdotes and stories, they are true comedy... you have to be in sales or something... you may want to consider a career in politics, you'd go far....

dakh · 10-16-2009, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

I'm guessing it has something to do with people who have limited experience let alone real skill giving out advice like they're experts on the subject when they don't even have a frame of reference in which to base their opinions.

I'm not going to guess anything but don't you think all this amount of aggravated typing this dude does is a bit strange? For simply stating a fact in a couple of sentences that I felt is relevant.

dakh · 10-16-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by DRS

bunch of BS

Dude why don't you take your own advice and just go ride instead of filling up the interwebs with even more BS? I'm going to have to buy your a beer one day for all your efforts, really amazing.

dakh · 10-16-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hawker

I've run mostly S-12 and M-12, trials tires, but have experimented with everything from 756s Maxxis, etc. S-12 rears wear out to fast, the m-12s don't work as well as a trails tire ever or the s-12 when new. Maxxis IT wears like iorn, but you give up grip (rather have a trials tire). The 756 is an okay desert/play tire, but I wouldn't buy another one.

So I actually have all the tires you've mentioned here it seems like, either unmounted (bought the IT since that M-12 that was on the KTM is about done and it was cheap), trials, 756 that came with the CRF... Do you recommend just sticking with one tire and riding it everywhere or there are conditions when it makes sense to mount one or the other? For a beginner/intermediate do you think it even makes sense to try trials tire or it's better to just stick with the knobbie?

Looks like Phil is getting a hook-up with an 18" wheel so this is kind of not an off-topic

dakh · 10-16-2009, 03:42 PM

Oh yea, I'm getting mixed messages on if it's possible to get back to the parking lot on a flat trials tire. Some pepople say it's Ok some say not some say depends on which tire. Anyone cares to comment on that? Thanks!

DRS · 10-16-2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Dude why don't you take your own advice and just go ride instead of filling up the interwebs with even more BS? I'm going to have to buy your a beer one day for all your efforts, really amazing.

honestly, i have nothing against you, and poking fun at you takes absolutely zero effort because you make it very easy to point out your bullshit as i don't know if you've ever made a single comment without having an excuse to go along with it.. as for my experience and ability is concerned, it works the same way, i don't try to hard and drive myself crazy trying to figure out what i did wrong or what is wrong with my bike, unless it's painfully obvious something is wrong with my bike.... it takes ALL the fun out of it.. .. unlike you and actually, a lot of people, I JUST RIDE..... and if for some reason i'm slower than someone else or i can't navigate an obstacle as fast as i'd like to, i don't make excuses and go searching the googling for possible explanations, i simply accept the fact that i didn't go fast enough. the difference between my BS and you BS is there is substance behind mine. every opinion or shred of advice i've ever hear you dish out as been full of ambiguity and completely open to how to interprets what you'd said.. in short, you talk a lot without really saying anything... like a politician..

you can buy me a beer sometime if you like, hell, i'll even buy you one... just don't expect me to not call bullshit if i hear it coming from your mouth. *shrug*

Hawker · 10-16-2009, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

So I actually have all the tires you've mentioned here it seems like, either unmounted (bought the IT since that M-12 that was on the KTM is about done and it was cheap), trials, 756 that came with the CRF... Do you recommend just sticking with one tire and riding it everywhere or there are conditions when it makes sense to mount one or the other? For a beginner/intermediate do you think it even makes sense to try trials tire or it's better to just stick with the knobbie?

Looks like Phil is getting a hook-up with an 18" wheel so this is kind of not an off-topic

Umm, for a beginner, a trials tire makes more sense than a knobby. If you understood how and why they work, that would be obvious. The conditions in the areas you're likely to ride are so similar, there is absolutely no need to change tires for conditions.

For a raw beginner like you, I'd put a scorpion pro on the front and a trails on the back, and ride it. You're going to get allot more value out of riding your bike than changing tires.

As for riding a trials tire to the parking lot when flat : why would you ever be without the ability to repair a tire trail-side? You should always carry flat repair stuff with you. The likelyhood of getting a flat up here with a trials tire and HD tube is near-zero. I run pressures down to 6 or 8psi and have never had a rear flat on my trials tire.

DRS · 10-16-2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Oh yea, I'm getting mixed messages on if it's possible to get back to the parking lot on a flat trials tire. Some pepople say it's Ok some say not some say depends on which tire. Anyone cares to comment on that? Thanks!

get back to the parking lot? a little open to interpretation don't you think?

how far do you wander from the truck?

which tire?
michelin x11 -more difficult to get back on, very soft sidewall
dunlop 803 - slightly better, clever placement of zipties will get you back if you're careful.

what terrain?
fireroads?
elevation changes? ( are you in a canyon trying to get out?)

lots of variables that will play into this scenario.

last summer i used 8-10 zipties to get back to the campground on a flat michelin x11, i had a stick puncture the sidewall... good thing i was only 5-6 miles away almost back from an all day ride... earlier in the day it would've been a nightmare to get out with a flat... i've been in place where you absolutely could not get out of with a flat, you would have to repair it.. if you don't have repair kit, you'd be leaving it. so it all depends on where you are. period.

out on the trail i can get a trials tire off and back on a rim in less than 5 minutes.

GixxerPete · 10-16-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

I'm not going to guess anything but don't you think all this amount of aggravated typing this dude does is a bit strange? For simply stating a fact in a couple of sentences that I felt is relevant.

No what I think is strange is someone that is a noob to riding, yet feels they have to go racing when they're slow as molasses in January, and then blames their slowness on their equipment. Why not just do track days? That's what they're for.

I think it's strange that someone would keep jumping from one discipline to the next (roadracing, supermoto, offroad, etc) after barely getting their feet wet in each, and again having to go racing right away when they barely know what they're doing. Again, why not just ride?

But what is most strange is for said noob with little experience and no frame of reference to be giving advice like they're an expert or something, when the reality is nothing could be further from the truth.

GixxerPete · 10-16-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by dakh

Dude why don't you take your own advice and just go ride instead of filling up the interwebs with even more BS? I'm going to have to buy your a beer one day for all your efforts, really amazing.

Gee, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That's all you do is fill the interwebs with BS.

pscook · 10-16-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hawker

I've run mostly S-12 and M-12, trials tires, but have experimented with everything from 756s Maxxis, etc. S-12 rears wear out to fast, the m-12s don't work as well as a trails tire ever or the s-12 when new. Maxxis IT wears like iorn, but you give up grip (rather have a trials tire). The 756 is an okay desert/play tire, but I wouldn't buy another one.

I think the best combo for trail riding is an s-12 or scorpion pro front and trials rear. Someone makes a 19" trials tire for the rear, go look at the multiple trials tire threads in the NW forum on TT for who.

For more aggressive riding and racing in more open stuff, I think I'm going to like the scorpion pro front with the mt-16 rear.

If I had my druthers I'd own a set of tubliss equipped rims with a scorpion pro front, and two rears : one with a trials tire and one with an mt-16.

I will take this suggestion seriously under advisement. As Dakh stated above (or below, I lost track between the bs), I am in the process of getting an 18" wheel with a trials tire on it this weekend. I am very, very glad that I did not purchase a new tire yesterday or today.

Dirty front with trials rear for trails, aggressive riding requires aggressive tires. Check. Since I am no longer on my XR250, I think that "aggressive" will need to be replaced with "surviving." I could hammer my 250, but this tall beasty of a 426 has me a bit, how you say, nervous?

Gonna look into the Tubliss set up, but that depends if I want to swap between Supermoto and dirt that often. Actaully, just looked and Yeaow! $100 per tubliss thingy. Huh, maybe tubes aren't that bad... Gonna carry some zipties with me this weekend, me thinks.

pscook · 10-16-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by DRS

out on the trail i can get a trials tire off and back on a rim in less than 5 minutes.

Can you enlighten me/us? I really think that I need to learn any tricks that are available, especially something valuable like this. Or is it more visual?

Hawker · 10-16-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by pscook

Can you enlighten me/us? I really think that I need to learn any tricks that are available, especially something valuable like this. Or is it more visual?

There are a couple of tecniques, but to repair a flat, you really only need to pop one side of the tire off the rim, you don't even need to pull the wheel off the bike.

http://www.dirtrider.com/riding_tips...ips/index.html

There are some techniques to it, but it has allot to do, amazingly enough, with practice and experience.


10-15-2009, 06:02 PM	#1
pscook Pit Crew Joined: Jan 2008 From: Shoreline I Ride: GSXR600, CBR600, YZ444, RZ350	Good 19/21" tire combo for Washington? Hey, everyone. I put the YZ426 back to dirt trim, and I think that I want to replace the rear, and probably the front as well. What's a good combination for Tahuya, Reiter, etc.? Not much of the loose stuff there, as I remember, mostly hard trails with some surface junk. I have a Dunlop 736 right now, is that any good? It has wide spaced knobs, and I remember that it tended to spin up pretty easy on hard stuff the one time that I took it out. What do you trail guys recommend for my situation? And, what pressures should I run? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-15-2009, 06:19 PM	#2
Devil_Doc Streetfighter Joined: Sep 2008 From: Kirkland via Dallas I Ride: VTR1000 SuperChicken	Another tire thread? Really..? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-15-2009, 07:49 PM	#3
dakh Superbiker Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	Phil... I have a slightly used trials tire... You know the price... In fact I have two but I want to try one myself at some point. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-15-2009, 08:37 PM	#8
Jet City Racer Streetfighter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Federal Way I Ride: 2 wheeled ones	Phil, The new Dunlop MX31 Geomax is the foshizzle on soft terrain. Get the MX51 for intermediate dirt. Just remember in 30 days it will all be mud. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-15-2009, 09:59 PM	#12
Jet City Racer Streetfighter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Federal Way I Ride: 2 wheeled ones	If you're riding on pavement they will be destroyed in a week. For that, I'd get the 606. They don't make it in a 19" though. The Pirelli MT21 is available in a 19" as is the Kenda K760. Both good tires for the price and the Kenda has a nice open lug design that self cleans well. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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10-16-2009, 10:35 AM	#14
PeteN95 Superbiker Joined: Jan 2008 From: Muk, WA I Ride: Suzuki SV1000N, XR650R, CRF450R	I used to like the Michelin M12 front/S12 rear, but now I have an 18 and the glorious trials tire! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 10:43 AM	#15
mcjunky Superbiker Joined: Jun 2005 From: spokane I Ride: rz's, rd's, kx's, nsr's, rx, yz with a little zx thrown in	I really like the michelin m-12's.....but I'm an eastsider __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 10:58 AM	#18
DRS Superbiker Joined: Jul 2006 From: asian hill	the mt-16 is a phenomnal tire in all northwest areas/conditions. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx i've been switching up the scorpion front with the mt-16 front, but have stuck with the mt-16 on the rear and i have another brand new one just waiting to go on. to add, these are some combos i've run just in the last few years, have many hours on various combinations of fronts and rears from the below list. front: s12, m12, scopion pro, mt21, mt16 rear: s12, m12, mt43, d803, x11, scorpion pro, mt16 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by DRS; 10-16-2009 at 01:42 PM..


10-16-2009, 11:31 AM	#20
mcjunky Superbiker Joined: Jun 2005 From: spokane I Ride: rz's, rd's, kx's, nsr's, rx, yz with a little zx thrown in	M-12 I've also run the starcross with good results but prefer the m-12 __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 12:06 PM	#21
dakh Superbiker Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	M-12 is definitely working better for me compared to a stock Dunlop whatever number (756?) from CRF250X. There are a few places I've tested them back to back on the uphill and I was able to get going quite easily from a stop on my 200 but the CRF was very far from hooking up enough for forward motion, just dug holes and stayed in place. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 12:40 PM	#22
DRS Superbiker Joined: Jul 2006 From: asian hill	hours of experience talking in this thread.. pay close attention. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 01:21 PM	#23
Hawker Pit Crew Joined: Apr 2006 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: Too many	I've run mostly S-12 and M-12, trials tires, but have experimented with everything from 756s Maxxis, etc. S-12 rears wear out to fast, the m-12s don't work as well as a trails tire ever or the s-12 when new. Maxxis IT wears like iorn, but you give up grip (rather have a trials tire). The 756 is an okay desert/play tire, but I wouldn't buy another one. I think the best combo for trail riding is an s-12 or scorpion pro front and trials rear. Someone makes a 19" trials tire for the rear, go look at the multiple trials tire threads in the NW forum on TT for who. For more aggressive riding and racing in more open stuff, I think I'm going to like the scorpion pro front with the mt-16 rear. If I had my druthers I'd own a set of tubliss equipped rims with a scorpion pro front, and two rears : one with a trials tire and one with an mt-16. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 02:05 PM	#25
Arnbo Pit Crew Joined: Jul 2008 From: Ferndale washington I Ride: 2000 Zx-9R 47cc pocket bike	perfect __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


10-16-2009, 03:42 PM	#32
dakh Superbiker Joined: Sep 2007 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: the walk	Oh yea, I'm getting mixed messages on if it's possible to get back to the parking lot on a flat trials tire. Some pepople say it's Ok some say not some say depends on which tire. Anyone cares to comment on that? Thanks! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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