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Old 01-02-2010, 03:32 PM   #41
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I don't have the money to afford a house with a garage. I locked my motorcycle in the parking garage and it someone cut off the lock. And if you go back to saying why I have a bike without having a place to keep it; then I have to tell you that I DID have a place to keep that bike before I LOST my JOB and ended up in this crappy apartment that I am able to afford!

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Old 01-02-2010, 03:33 PM   #42
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It is my opinion that bikes are expensive adult toys and shouldnt be used for everyday transportation..
and some would argue that you are being a irresponsible human on this planet buy driving a vehicle that took way more resources to build than you as an individual actually needs

now take out the fact that you may have a family to provide for.....thats not where this is going.....but soley for one person and one person alone....a motorcycle is far more than enough one would need for transportation

you can get yourself around for less money per gallon than the average car

you can fit enough groceries on your person and strapped to the bike for yourself

the bike takes up very little space...so when you live in crowded city areas....parking is less of a pain in the ass


yada yada yada

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Less service and wear parts too..Less tires,oil,brake pads...yada yada..
i would be willing to put money on the fact that yearly maintance on an everyday commuter bike is cheaper than an everyday commuter car

oil is going to be a wash if you change them at the same intervals
the average person can have all the tools necessary to change brakes and oil on a bike easier than a car
you dont need a jack or jack stands with a bike.....but to change oil and brakes safely on a car...its quite the initial investment to get the appropriate tools to start doing so

tires are only really expensive if your buying the superport tires all the time
otherwise the initial investment for a good set of long lasting road tires might sting a bit.....they go on for thousands of miles beyond the tires you put on your sportbikes

so you are not compairing the average everyday commuter bike compaired to the average everyday commuter cars

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I bought a Subaru Legacy 3 years ago for 400 dollars...I just sold it with a burnt engine for 300 after putting on 10k mileage on it and only putting gas and oil in it...That car didnt cost me jack shit.Just some advice from an old fart..
this is your personal experience and i would bet its not the opinion or a realistic experience with most people......but good job at keeping an old car going and going until its final death.....cars like that are rare these days....and imo are priceless

a "inexpensive" motorcycle has a better chance of getting you more mileage than a gamble on a car

reason being.....most people who buy motorcycles do so either as
a. a sole, cheap, fun, reliable piece of equipment as transportation
b. are enthusiasts

both of which you will find as respnsible people who will do everything they can to perform regular maintanence

not so with cars.....people think cars are a necessity....and items in this world that are a "necessity" are abused and often mis-treated




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Old 01-02-2010, 03:41 PM   #43
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Sure, any measure you take to prevent theft is good but if a thief really wants to steal your bike it's as good as gone.


For someone who says he's left this site you sure post here alot.

True thieves wont mess with a bike because its risk to reward ratio is too low compared to stealing cars..Do you really think a thief is going to break in a garage to steal a bike when he can steal a car worth 5 times more??Why even go to the trouble of breaking and entering?? Thats another charge and there is enough expensive cars in far more vulnerable situations.

Petty thieves are taking these bikes,and they are doing so because it is easy in most situations.The most recent post I saw was someone left their bike unattended in a parking garage for more than 2 days..Its only security was a cable and hope.Both werent enough.This person couldnt even be sure what day their bike was stolen on..Its honestly really hard for me to feel sorry for this person.

I am willing to be that most bike thefts are from fellow bike owners..I hope I am wrong,but that is my gut feeling.

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Old 01-02-2010, 03:45 PM   #44
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I don't have the money to afford a house with a garage. I locked my motorcycle in the parking garage and it someone cut off the lock. And if you go back to saying why I have a bike without having a place to keep it; then I have to tell you that I DID have a place to keep that bike before I LOST my JOB and ended up in this crappy apartment that I am able to afford!
Maybe you could have stored it at a friends if you had a car as well?? hindsight is 20/20 and it blows your bike got stolen..It is a bit hard for me to feel sorry for you...but I do nonetheless.I hope you get your bike back

It sucks people steal..I hate it..

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:02 PM   #45
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^^ wait, you dont feel sorry for him because he parked his bike where he was suposta, and someone stole it? acting like it is his fault and he should have had it inside his house or a nice garage? really? daaaamn, thats some fucked up shit right there.

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:04 PM   #46
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and some would argue that you are being a irresponsible human on this planet buy driving a vehicle that took way more resources to build than you as an individual actually needs

now take out the fact that you may have a family to provide for.....thats not where this is going.....but soley for one person and one person alone....a motorcycle is far more than enough one would need for transportation

you can get yourself around for less money per gallon than the average car

you can fit enough groceries on your person and strapped to the bike for yourself

the bike takes up very little space...so when you live in crowded city areas....parking is less of a pain in the ass


yada yada yada



i would be willing to put money on the fact that yearly maintance on an everyday commuter bike is cheaper than an everyday commuter car

oil is going to be a wash if you change them at the same intervals
the average person can have all the tools necessary to change brakes and oil on a bike easier than a car
you dont need a jack or jack stands with a bike.....but to change oil and brakes safely on a car...its quite the initial investment to get the appropriate tools to start doing so

tires are only really expensive if your buying the superport tires all the time
otherwise the initial investment for a good set of long lasting road tires might sting a bit.....they go on for thousands of miles beyond the tires you put on your sportbikes

so you are not compairing the average everyday commuter bike compaired to the average everyday commuter cars



this is your personal experience and i would bet its not the opinion or a realistic experience with most people......but good job at keeping an old car going and going until its final death.....cars like that are rare these days....and imo are priceless

a "inexpensive" motorcycle has a better chance of getting you more mileage than a gamble on a car

reason being.....most people who buy motorcycles do so either as
a. a sole, cheap, fun, reliable piece of equipment as transportation
b. are enthusiasts

both of which you will find as respnsible people who will do everything they can to perform regular maintanence

not so with cars.....people think cars are a necessity....and items in this world that are a "necessity" are abused and often mis-treated




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(just in case you dont understand....i put my name at the bottom of the page as a mockery)
I wasnt comparing cars to motorcycles..I was saying if you have a beater car as well, your motorcycle will love you more.Yeah motorcycles are cheaper on every aspect.To buy,run,fix,etc..

When I was single and lived alone.I too had only a bike for transportation.So I understand the reasoning behind having a bike soully as your form of transportation..However there were several times I needed a car and having a car would have been very convenient.

Back then a beater car didnt sound near as cool as my LTD1000..and I was like "fuck that"...but in hindsight I was being very impracticle.I can clearly remember stopping at stores to warm myself up after riding in 20 degree weather.Or being stuck wherever I was at due to snow and ice.Needing to carry anything that didnt fit via bungeecord or backpack..Having a hot date and having it rain and then she drives (yeah that is impressive!)..I can probably come up with as many inconveniences you can come up with conveniences.

I simply think its smarter to be an enthusiast..and if you cannot be one.I think you should save your money untill you can be..That is how I wished I had done it in hindsight..

THen again..those 3 years on only a motorcycle taught me a lot about riding.

Ok I guess we can all agree that people who steal suck ass!!!!

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:14 PM   #47
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I simply think its smarter to be an enthusiast..and if you cannot be one.I think you should save your money untill you can be..That is how I wished I had done it in hindsight..
some opinions are of that the ones who soley rely on a motorcycle as their main mode of transportation are the real enthusiasts


i understand your arguement on the fact that parking a motorcycle outside or in a "secured garage" is a danger........but to tell people that they shouldnt own a motorcycle without having the means of storage via a garage is just as ignorant as someone complaining about washingtonians posting in oregon threads.....seems kinda silly dont you think?

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:26 PM   #48
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^^ wait, you dont feel sorry for him because he parked his bike where he was suposta, and someone stole it? acting like it is his fault and he should have had it inside his house or a nice garage? really? daaaamn, thats some fucked up shit right there.

No..I didnt say anything like that..

You people really need to slow down and read shit..and STOP reading shit INTO things that are not there..

You act as if I said I dont feel sorry for them and that I am implying that it is his fault..That is all on you..I didnt say anything like that..

Here I will say it again..THis time perhaps you could read what is actually written...

I ALMOST (key word being almost) dont feel sorry for them because THEY CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU WHAT DAY IT WAS EXACTLY STOLEN ON..

Does that say I dont feel sorry for them??
Does that say I think it is thier fault??

No it says what it says..It IMPLIES THEY WERE NOT WATCHING THEIR BIKE VERY CLOSE..Which they werent if they cannot tell you what day it was stolen on in a 3 day window.

This could have totally been avoided..saying that makes me an insensative prick though right?

...Maybe someone has a bike in a parking garage right now who is reading this..Maybe they can learn something from it.Maybe there are others who park their bikes outside..Maybe they are now seeking other alternatives after reading this..

I know my delivery is blunt and not very tactfull..but all I am doing is trying to help people.I am not trying to brag,or tell people what to do,or come off as smarter than anyone.

IN the situation with the parking garage..It is not their fault,but they made their bike pretty easy to steal..

"Oh but I couldnt afford to get a place with a garage"
"I cant get it in my apartment"
"I thought it was safe there"
"I was only gone an hour"
"my friend said it was cool"
"But the neighborhood is a nice one"

These are all excuses..If you dont want your bike stolen,dont leave it unattended unless its locked up inside somewhere.Your chances will greatly decrease.

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:35 PM   #49
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I personally am not in the postion to spend thousands of dollars on shit and leave it outside, at the same time nobody deserves to get their shit swiped regardless where it is. I also feel way shitty for anybody thats had their bike ripped off, I'd wanna kill..and mines a POS

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:41 PM   #50
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some opinions are of that the ones who soley rely on a motorcycle as their main mode of transportation are the real enthusiasts


i understand your arguement on the fact that parking a motorcycle outside or in a "secured garage" is a danger........but to tell people that owning a motorcycle without having the means of storage via a garage is just as ignorant as someone complaining about washingtonians posting in oregon threads.....seems kinda silly dont you think?
No..

I think it is silly to buy a sportbike without a place to store it safely.Silly is putting it nicely too.Especially considering how redicoulasly easy they are to steal.Would you leave 8k in a safe in a parking garage tied to a cable??No you wouldnt,and the sad reality is a good big safe will be a lot harder to steal than a sportbike..Dude,me and Labmunky could lift one of these into a back of a truck in less than 5 minutes..Have you seen me and labmunky?? We are maybe 250lbs soaking wet between the two of us..

The people that ride only motorcycles all the time as you describe are diehards..They are the crazy fundamentalist's of the motorcycle community.


Let me describe the video I saw..

Bike on side of the road..busy street in broad daylight...

a Dodge caravan minivan pulls up to the bike a couple spaces back and hits his flashers (he is still in the road parked next to the parked cars behind the bike)

They wait a few minutes...and then the sliding side door opens and they pull up next to the bike..Two guys jump out and lift the front end up and pull it into the van..It took longer for them to pull out in traffic than get the bike in their van.

This was in broad daylight on a very busy street..They had the bike in the van from when the door opened in less than 30 seconds.

And I am silly for saying you are stupid to own a sportbike if you cant store it safely??

Nah man..Its silly to get a bike if you cant take care of it..

Thats what I think anyways..

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:48 PM   #51
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Maybe you could have stored it at a friends if you had a car as well?? hindsight is 20/20 and it blows your bike got stolen..It is a bit hard for me to feel sorry for you...but I do nonetheless.I hope you get your bike back

It sucks people steal..I hate it..
I hate it when people steal too but the way you started this thread does sound harsh to people like me. If I really do have a better place to store this bike, then it definitely will be at that location. However, the parking garage of my apartment was the 'safest' place I have for the bike. Not only was the bike locked, it was also sandwiched between the wall and my truck. However, the thieves still managed to get the bike out. I do believe that someone else in this building has something to do with the lost of my bike and I want that person put to justice! BTW, none of my family and friends have a garage.They all live in an apartment with street parking. I am lucky enough to even have a parking garage space at the apartments. And there is no possible way for me to get my bike up to my apartment on the 10th floor.

Those thieves can burn in hell!

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:50 PM   #52
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I personally am not in the postion to spend thousands of dollars on shit and leave it outside, at the same time nobody deserves to get their shit swiped regardless where it is. I also feel way shitty for anybody thats had their bike ripped off, I'd wanna kill..and mines a POS
Well said.

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Old 01-02-2010, 04:50 PM   #53
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i live in a complex where there are as many as 10 bikes stored outside day after day after day

every since i left my last place that had a garage, i have either stored my bike in my storage place because i had the extra room to do so......or as of lately i have been keeping it at the inlaws house because i traded some work/labor for use of half of their garage

but

i dont judge people for having a bike parked outside.....i'm sure they are aware of the danger that is at hand.......its a risk

but for someone to go through life and not go out and get what they want just because of the fear of theives is rediculous

some people dont want to live in a house.....they dont want the added costs that come with living in a home vs a condo or apt

not everyone gets the opportunity to get into complex's that have garages available

should that stop them from owning something they want?
not in my opinion it doesnt



yes theives suck ass.....but i'm not going to change my wants and posessions because i dont have a garage because of theives

however, if i do have my bike outside at my condo complex.....i go through some extra measures to make it as difficult as it can be for them to take it......but the possibility of, the rare and few times a year i actually do have it at home overnight, it being gone in the morning is great......and i understand that

will i complain and throw a temper tantrum if i wake up in the morning and its gone?
yes....because thats pretty much a natural reaction for most

will i understand that i took the chance and someone took advantage of that chance?
yes



i honestly think it all needs to start at the top

if we had more harsh penalties for theives than we currently have in place.....things might, and i say "might" loosely, be different

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:02 PM   #54
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I hate it when people steal too but the way you started this thread does sound harsh to people like me. If I really do have a better place to store this bike, then it definitely will be at that location. However, the parking garage of my apartment was the 'safest' place I have for the bike. Not only was the bike locked, it was also sandwiched between the wall and my truck. However, the thieves still managed to get the bike out. I do believe that someone else in this building has something to do with the lost of my bike and I want that person put to justice! BTW, none of my family and friends have a garage.They all live in an apartment with street parking. I am lucky enough to even have a parking garage space at the apartments. And there is no possible way for me to get my bike up to my apartment on the 10th floor.

Those thieves can burn in hell!
Yeah my delivery sucks..Im sorry about that..I think you could have avoided this,but at the same time I feel bad for you and really hope you get it back.

I think you should have sold your bike when your finacial woes started to happen,if your only option was to keep it in that garage.Or got a different place.

Saying that though..I want you to realise that you were probably right in your thinking that your bike was pretty safe there..Most of the time it will be for most people..I believe you got pretty unlucky and I agree that someone in your apartment building most likely helped whoever stole it.I also think that it was someone who also owns that bike and needs shit off it.Its a bit too old to ebay..Well its not but newer bikes are better for that.Its a friend of someone in your building who has one of those bikes I think.

YOu have probably already come to that conclusion.

Yes I hope they burn in hell!!!

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:07 PM   #55
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if we had more harsh penalties for theives than we currently have in place.....things might, and i say "might" loosely, be different

Agreed.

but..
Would you get a dog if you were homeless??

I woudnt

and I wouldnt get a bike if I was garageless!!! (or didnt have access to one)

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:16 PM   #56
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but..
Would you get a dog if you were homeless??
lol.....how is this a relate?


and yes.....if i was homeless....i would probably have a dog

cause i more than likely would not be your local street bum sleeping under bridges and what not

i would have a tent to sleep in
a motorcycle to get the necessary supplies from time to time without the safety of a garage
and a dog to help with hunting for food and what not.....i dont see why having a dog if you dont own a home would be a bad thing at all

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:38 PM   #57
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True thieves wont mess with a bike because its risk to reward ratio is too low compared to stealing cars..Do you really think a thief is going to break in a garage to steal a bike when he can steal a car worth 5 times more??Why even go to the trouble of breaking and entering?? Thats another charge and there is enough expensive cars in far more vulnerable situations.

Petty thieves are taking these bikes,and they are doing so because it is easy in most situations.The most recent post I saw was someone left their bike unattended in a parking garage for more than 2 days..Its only security was a cable and hope.Both werent enough.This person couldnt even be sure what day their bike was stolen on..Its honestly really hard for me to feel sorry for this person.

I am willing to be that most bike thefts are from fellow bike owners..I hope I am wrong,but that is my gut feeling.

Are you really that naive? Your serious bike thief is most often a pro who could care less about riding. They steal bikes for a living. I've seen bikes stolen out of locked garages with chain and lock and alarm on the bike when the owner was at home. But you make statements like it's really hard for you to feel sorry for the guy who's bike was stolen. Wow, you're really just a dick.

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:43 PM   #58
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No..I didnt say anything like that..

You people really need to slow down and read shit..and STOP reading shit INTO things that are not there..

You act as if I said I dont feel sorry for them and that I am implying that it is his fault..That is all on you..I didnt say anything like that..

Here I will say it again..THis time perhaps you could read what is actually written...

I ALMOST (key word being almost) dont feel sorry for them because THEY CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU WHAT DAY IT WAS EXACTLY STOLEN ON..

Does that say I dont feel sorry for them??
Does that say I think it is thier fault??

No it says what it says..It IMPLIES THEY WERE NOT WATCHING THEIR BIKE VERY CLOSE..Which they werent if they cannot tell you what day it was stolen on in a 3 day window.

This could have totally been avoided..saying that makes me an insensative prick though right?

...Maybe someone has a bike in a parking garage right now who is reading this..Maybe they can learn something from it.Maybe there are others who park their bikes outside..Maybe they are now seeking other alternatives after reading this..

I know my delivery is blunt and not very tactfull..but all I am doing is trying to help people.I am not trying to brag,or tell people what to do,or come off as smarter than anyone.

IN the situation with the parking garage..It is not their fault,but they made their bike pretty easy to steal..

"Oh but I couldnt afford to get a place with a garage"
"I cant get it in my apartment"
"I thought it was safe there"
"I was only gone an hour"
"my friend said it was cool"
"But the neighborhood is a nice one"

These are all excuses..If you dont want your bike stolen,dont leave it unattended unless its locked up inside somewhere.Your chances will greatly decrease.



I can hear your back up alarm going off.

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:46 PM   #59
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I can hear your back up alarm going off.

If my rep quiver wasn't empty, I would hit you with one!

Good on ya.....!

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Old 01-02-2010, 05:49 PM   #60
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