Fed up with gravel flying out of hauling trucks - Page 2

Furious Coder · 08-02-2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by erickb

WSP does not pull these guys over, but if you have something in your truck with-out 45 tie downs you get pulled over and get a ticket, because of that law they came up with after the drunk chick got hurt

I was almost on the jury for the civil trial in this case, but I was the very last juror dismissed by the attorneys for the plaintiff. Apparently they thought I was too pro-business, and wouldn't lean towards a large settlement.

Me. Mr. Progressive. Too pro-business.

Grantizzle · 08-02-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by MMACK

I was wondering where all the gravel and rocks came from, I work right off 202 and E.lake, our drive way has 2 or 3 large rocks and gravel appear daily, I have almost spilled my bike there at the enterance to our complex. Oh yeah, I have witnessed there drivers yelling at people, flipping off people for not letting them over, etc, they don't give a shit, obviously they are a low class company with no regard for others.

is that because you can barely touch the ground?

MMACK · 08-02-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Grantizzle

is that because you can barely touch the ground?

Golf ball sized stones randomly showing up throughout the day, and.........yeah probably has something to do with it

Dingo · 08-03-2012, 09:39 PM

This'll be the last update that I post here; don't want to beat a dead forum horse. Hope lots of you catch the news segment when it airs.

I'll give you an awesome teaser: one segment of footage has me following a truck with dirt and rocks flying out the back. It has a cover built into the truck, but it is stowed... useless. On the back of the truck was a huge sticker saying, "BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT _YOU_, OUR LOADS ARE COVERED."

The lie rolled right by on camera, and they captured it, with a bike rolling right behind the truck. It was a money shot.

DaveS · 08-03-2012, 11:22 PM

I'm in on this one!
South Kitsap County
Rt 16 between pt orchard and tacoma
bethel - burley rd
TWO quarries running
lots of dumpers
with uncovered loads
lost two van windshields to em
NO you don't have time
ti get a license # if you're
swerving to avoid debris
and not knowing you've been
hit till they pass the other way

called Kitsap county gov
several times to find
out what regs apply.
They certainly get extra$ if
we make a dump/landfill run
w/o a cover on a lil trailer
or p/u!
I got "referred" to traffic, enforcement, etc
till i ran out of time...
Lets get line on this
Thanks man.
Refer to Morrison Gravel
and Port Orchard Sand and Gravel

gplutt · 08-18-2012, 08:11 PM

http://jeff.henshaw.org/eating-grave...-and-liking-it

Sounds like he's getting some traction on this one. Good job.

Zenmervolt · 08-18-2012, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Blissed

Also, the wording at http://www.wsp.wa.gov/traveler/loadloss.htm states:

If the load is a type of material that will be blown from the vehicle while the vehicle is in motion, then that type of load shall be covered to prevent this from occurring.

which to me sounds like a recommendation rather than an enforceable law. Should "shall" be replaced with "must"?

"Shall" is equivalent to "must" in any legislation. Courts have consistently interpreted "shall" as invoking a legal requirement since long before the US was a country.

Nathan · 08-18-2012, 10:00 PM

Nicely done. There are a few typos. Not sure if you're interested in correcting them. I know it's not too important, but I'm an English major. I guess a few things stuck with me after college.

http://jeff.henshaw.org/staying-safe...ers-an-open-le

MB2 · 08-18-2012, 10:33 PM

I was behind a truck out on Hwy 530 the other day and it had all sorts of saw dust type crap flying behind it. The stuff spread out a thick dust cloud a solid 3 car lengths behind it, and became an issue within 10 car lengths. What sucked the most was how the negative pressure created by my fairings forced dust right into my eyes. I dropped a few gears as soon as I could, but had to wait long enough for it to really hit home on how big of a problem this could be.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on how this progresses. Good work!

Cyndy · 09-06-2012, 04:40 PM

Hey Dingo,

I saw Komo 4 filming this story this afternoon on my way home. Good job getting your voice heard!!

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/D...168848936.html

Drivers fighting to keep loose gravel off roads

By Tracy Vedder Published: Sep 6, 2012 at 5:04 PM PDT

REDMOND, Wash. -- Loose gravel on freeways can damage cars and make for a frightening driving experience, and now there's a move afoot to try to make our roads free from gravel.

Drivers on Union Hill Road say debris falling from gravel trucks is a common -- and dangerous -- problem, and one that they want to stop.

Jeff Henshaw rides his motorcycle to work every day on a route frequented by gravel trucks.

"I will get hit at least three or four times a week by a piece of loose gravel coming off the back of the truck," he said.

Like many other drivers, Henshaw is fed up with the hazard.

"I've come home with either two, three or four inch bruises from pieces of gravel hitting me either on the legs, had it hit me on the face, I've had chips out of my helmets," he said.

In an effort to get to the bottom of the problem, Henshaw followed several trucks to a local asphalt plant. He wanted the owners to require all the trucks coming into the plant to cover their loads.

"(The owner) argued that the trucks were legal as they were. He argued that the gravel was too big to fly out," Henshaw said.

That's when Henshaw ran head first into the ambiguity in state law.

According to the state, any road that has material that can come loose and fly out must be covered or secured, but gravel trucks don't have to be covered, no matter how high it's piled, as long as the sides of the load sit six inches below the truck's side panels.

Representatives from both Cadman Gravel and the asphalt plant said they require their drivers to cover all their loads, but they said they have no control over other trucking companies they do business with.

Henshaw now wants to change the law.

"What I would like to see done is any vehicle with loose material in the back needs to be covered," he said.

Robin Able's daughter, Maria Federici, died nearly 8 years ago when an unsecured load crashed through her windshield. After the death, Able succeeded in getting the law changed. The new law -- named after Federici -- forced stiffer penalties for unsecured loads and possible criminal charges if someone is injured.

"I know there's broken windshields every single day. I've talked to people who have had rocks the size of their fist come through," Abel said.

She's now working to get that last legal ambiguity cleared up, which would require all gravel trucks to be covered.

"We'll get it through Olympia, get those gravel trucks covered," she said.

Abel said the gravel and construction industry is now in favor of requiring gravel loads to be covered, so she expects the legislation to pass during the next session without a hitch.

Dingo · 09-06-2012, 04:47 PM

Thanks! The on-cycle footage came out quite well, I thought, given that it's not something these crews normally capture. It definitely gets the message out.

Coming soon: a favor for all of you. January will be the legislative session. I want as big a motorcycle rally as we can muster to roll into Olympia. Details coming soon!

Thanks,
Dingo

WashingtonBlonde · 09-06-2012, 04:57 PM

Nice. Hope I can watch the video!

Dingo · 09-06-2012, 09:41 PM

For those that are interesting in this topic but missed the newscast, here's a recap including the video from the 4 and 6pm news:

http://tmblr.co/Z4G-kvSwOgHI

Enjoy,
Dingo

PWALL · 09-06-2012, 09:45 PM

yeah that gravel sounds like it should be illegal....

Dingo · 09-06-2012, 09:47 PM

Note that on the KOMO site here, there are a few apparent rock company reps accusing people, including a few bikers, of being tailgaiters and causing the problem. Feel free to leave respectful comments there.

Thanks,
Dingo

Nathan · 09-07-2012, 07:15 AM

Tailgaters? Yeah. That's just ridiculous. Why would we want to get hit by rocks or sand? I always give large trucks a wide berth.

Real Fast Travis · 09-07-2012, 07:34 AM

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't.

Good job Dingo, keep at it.

wingding · 09-07-2012, 07:38 AM

Now THAT'S illegal gravel!

I was behind a dump truck on I-5 nearing the convention center and the a-holes back gate was cracked open and farking 1.5" river rock was pouring out and bouncing down the road like lethal ping pong balls. I got a partial plate and the company number. After serveral calls and much run-around I finally gave up. The other option I considered was throwing a brick through their trucks front window.

taznhell · 09-07-2012, 07:44 AM

I saw the title and dyslexia took effect and I thought I read "Tired of being fed flying gravel out of hauling trucks"

In a way it makes sense becuase it always seems to find your just replaced helmet windsheild.

WashingtonBlonde · 09-07-2012, 09:05 AM

Nice. But where's your gear?


08-03-2012, 09:39 PM	#24
Dingo Permit Joined: Feb 2007 From: Redmond, WA I Ride: 2012 HD Ultra Ltd, 2013 Triumph Tiger 800XC	This'll be the last update that I post here; don't want to beat a dead forum horse. Hope lots of you catch the news segment when it airs. I'll give you an awesome teaser: one segment of footage has me following a truck with dirt and rocks flying out the back. It has a cover built into the truck, but it is stowed... useless. On the back of the truck was a huge sticker saying, "BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT _YOU_, OUR LOADS ARE COVERED." The lie rolled right by on camera, and they captured it, with a bike rolling right behind the truck. It was a money shot. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-03-2012, 11:22 PM	#25
DaveS Peg Dragger Joined: Aug 2006 From: port orchard, wa I Ride: SV650 - now SV996R	I'm in on this one! South Kitsap County Rt 16 between pt orchard and tacoma bethel - burley rd TWO quarries running lots of dumpers with uncovered loads lost two van windshields to em NO you don't have time ti get a license # if you're swerving to avoid debris and not knowing you've been hit till they pass the other way called Kitsap county gov several times to find out what regs apply. They certainly get extra$ if we make a dump/landfill run w/o a cover on a lil trailer or p/u! I got "referred" to traffic, enforcement, etc till i ran out of time... Lets get line on this Thanks man. Refer to Morrison Gravel and Port Orchard Sand and Gravel __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-18-2012, 08:11 PM	#26
gplutt Licensed Joined: Jun 2010 From: Seattle, WA I Ride: 2011 BMW F800GS, 2010 Moto Guzzi V7 Classic 1973 Honda CB350/4	http://jeff.henshaw.org/eating-grave...-and-liking-it Sounds like he's getting some traction on this one. Good job. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-18-2012, 10:00 PM	#28
Nathan Peg Dragger Joined: Jul 2006 From: Seattle, WA	Nicely done. There are a few typos. Not sure if you're interested in correcting them. I know it's not too important, but I'm an English major. I guess a few things stuck with me after college. http://jeff.henshaw.org/staying-safe...ers-an-open-le __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


08-18-2012, 10:33 PM	#29
MB2 Peg Dragger Joined: Jan 2010 From: Everett, WA I Ride: '67 CT90	I was behind a truck out on Hwy 530 the other day and it had all sorts of saw dust type crap flying behind it. The stuff spread out a thick dust cloud a solid 3 car lengths behind it, and became an issue within 10 car lengths. What sucked the most was how the negative pressure created by my fairings forced dust right into my eyes. I dropped a few gears as soon as I could, but had to wait long enough for it to really hit home on how big of a problem this could be. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on how this progresses. Good work! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-06-2012, 04:40 PM	#30
Cyndy Superbiker Joined: Aug 2009 From: Chicagoland I Ride: 2010 RC8R; 2009 ZX6R; Percheron/Paint (equine variety)	Hey Dingo, I saw Komo 4 filming this story this afternoon on my way home. Good job getting your voice heard!! http://www.komonews.com/news/local/D...168848936.html Drivers fighting to keep loose gravel off roads By Tracy Vedder Published: Sep 6, 2012 at 5:04 PM PDT REDMOND, Wash. -- Loose gravel on freeways can damage cars and make for a frightening driving experience, and now there's a move afoot to try to make our roads free from gravel. Drivers on Union Hill Road say debris falling from gravel trucks is a common -- and dangerous -- problem, and one that they want to stop. Jeff Henshaw rides his motorcycle to work every day on a route frequented by gravel trucks. "I will get hit at least three or four times a week by a piece of loose gravel coming off the back of the truck," he said. Like many other drivers, Henshaw is fed up with the hazard. "I've come home with either two, three or four inch bruises from pieces of gravel hitting me either on the legs, had it hit me on the face, I've had chips out of my helmets," he said. In an effort to get to the bottom of the problem, Henshaw followed several trucks to a local asphalt plant. He wanted the owners to require all the trucks coming into the plant to cover their loads. "(The owner) argued that the trucks were legal as they were. He argued that the gravel was too big to fly out," Henshaw said. That's when Henshaw ran head first into the ambiguity in state law. According to the state, any road that has material that can come loose and fly out must be covered or secured, but gravel trucks don't have to be covered, no matter how high it's piled, as long as the sides of the load sit six inches below the truck's side panels. Representatives from both Cadman Gravel and the asphalt plant said they require their drivers to cover all their loads, but they said they have no control over other trucking companies they do business with. Henshaw now wants to change the law. "What I would like to see done is any vehicle with loose material in the back needs to be covered," he said. Robin Able's daughter, Maria Federici, died nearly 8 years ago when an unsecured load crashed through her windshield. After the death, Able succeeded in getting the law changed. The new law -- named after Federici -- forced stiffer penalties for unsecured loads and possible criminal charges if someone is injured. "I know there's broken windshields every single day. I've talked to people who have had rocks the size of their fist come through," Abel said. She's now working to get that last legal ambiguity cleared up, which would require all gravel trucks to be covered. "We'll get it through Olympia, get those gravel trucks covered," she said. Abel said the gravel and construction industry is now in favor of requiring gravel loads to be covered, so she expects the legislation to pass during the next session without a hitch. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter Last edited by Cyndy; 09-06-2012 at 04:43 PM..


09-06-2012, 04:47 PM	#31
Dingo Permit Joined: Feb 2007 From: Redmond, WA I Ride: 2012 HD Ultra Ltd, 2013 Triumph Tiger 800XC	Thanks! The on-cycle footage came out quite well, I thought, given that it's not something these crews normally capture. It definitely gets the message out. Coming soon: a favor for all of you. January will be the legislative session. I want as big a motorcycle rally as we can muster to roll into Olympia. Details coming soon! Thanks, Dingo __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-06-2012, 04:57 PM	#32
WashingtonBlonde Race Qualifier Joined: Mar 2007 From: Lacey, WA I Ride: '01 R6	Nice. Hope I can watch the video! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-06-2012, 09:41 PM	#33
Dingo Permit Joined: Feb 2007 From: Redmond, WA I Ride: 2012 HD Ultra Ltd, 2013 Triumph Tiger 800XC	For those that are interesting in this topic but missed the newscast, here's a recap including the video from the 4 and 6pm news: http://tmblr.co/Z4G-kvSwOgHI Enjoy, Dingo __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-06-2012, 09:45 PM	#34
PWALL Licensed Joined: May 2011 From: Sammamish, WA I Ride: Ducati Multistrada 1200S	yeah that gravel sounds like it should be illegal.... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-06-2012, 09:47 PM	#35
Dingo Permit Joined: Feb 2007 From: Redmond, WA I Ride: 2012 HD Ultra Ltd, 2013 Triumph Tiger 800XC	Note that on the KOMO site here, there are a few apparent rock company reps accusing people, including a few bikers, of being tailgaiters and causing the problem. Feel free to leave respectful comments there. Thanks, Dingo __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-07-2012, 07:15 AM	#36
Nathan Peg Dragger Joined: Jul 2006 From: Seattle, WA	Tailgaters? Yeah. That's just ridiculous. Why would we want to get hit by rocks or sand? I always give large trucks a wide berth. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-07-2012, 07:34 AM	#37
Real Fast Travis Novice Racer Joined: Nov 2009 From: here, headed there. Blog Entries: 17 I Ride: on up to 28 wheels.	I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't. Good job Dingo, keep at it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-07-2012, 07:38 AM	#38
wingding Pit Crew Joined: Feb 2008 From: Seattle, Wa I Ride: 2008 Hayabusa	Now THAT'S illegal gravel! I was behind a dump truck on I-5 nearing the convention center and the a-holes back gate was cracked open and farking 1.5" river rock was pouring out and bouncing down the road like lethal ping pong balls. I got a partial plate and the company number. After serveral calls and much run-around I finally gave up. The other option I considered was throwing a brick through their trucks front window. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-07-2012, 07:44 AM	#39
taznhell Shredder Joined: Jul 2008 From: Cornelius, Oregon I Ride: Everyday	I saw the title and dyslexia took effect and I thought I read "Tired of being fed flying gravel out of hauling trucks" In a way it makes sense becuase it always seems to find your just replaced helmet windsheild. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-07-2012, 09:05 AM	#40
WashingtonBlonde Race Qualifier Joined: Mar 2007 From: Lacey, WA I Ride: '01 R6	Nice. But where's your gear? __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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