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Old 08-23-2012, 03:32 PM   #21
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Valves are being done now, as we speak. Although, I'm gonna hate having spent money to do the valves just to find out the pistons and rings need to be done too. But the valves are being done. lol.

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Old 08-23-2012, 03:45 PM   #22
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well thats good, good for you at least something is progressing. I know how sometimes your pinned in between a rock and a hard sport.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:37 PM   #23
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You haven't found out what's up with the bottom end yet?

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Old 08-24-2012, 04:36 PM   #24
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so before they started doing the valves, they did a leak-down test and a compression test on my engine. I just got off the phone with them. The compression test shows that each cylinder is between 35 - 60 psi. That sucks, since that is WAY low. The good news (if you can call it that) is that it's NOT the pistons or piston rings, or the gaskets. The leak down test indicates that all the compression is leaking out of the engine through the valve train, indicating that the valves are shot, and possibly bent. So now I have a choice. I can pay them to strip down the bike, and repair/replace the valves. 900 - 1000 dollars. I can have them tow it back to my house (free) and I can tear it down myself, and just take them the head. They'll tell me if the valves need to be replaced, or just retuned. (approx. 200 - 350 depending on if the valves need to be replaced) or if there are lots of bent valves, then I can buy a new head and have them install it for me. (cost of new head, plus a little bit for labor for the shop to put it back together.)

Question, if I decide to save money anywhere possible.... Does anyone know how to pull off the head, so I can take it in? Would anyone be willing to help/instruct me in doing so?

They also said a good way to find out why my valve bent is to check the cam timing. They explained how to do it (doesn't sound difficult and doesn't need to tear the engine down) so can someone help me check the cam timing also?

The good news is.. It's NOT the pistons or piston rings. WOOT WOOT.
Bad news is, I gotta get the head off and check the valves and I don't know how to do it. I want to learn, and to save money. Can someone help please?

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Old 08-24-2012, 04:59 PM   #25
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weird.

so, it was your valves?




weeeeeeird.




I would help you, but I'm not the right person to tear into an engine. Lots of good help on this board though!

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Old 08-24-2012, 05:20 PM   #26
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Im not sure I'd waiste the $$ for valves w/ 50-60 psi, its kinda like pissin' against the wind

you can also make a leak down tester for about $25, search the web and you'll find a bunch

BOL

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Old 08-24-2012, 07:17 PM   #27
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You don't have any bent valves.
You have non adjusted valves
What you need to do is
A. Measure the valve clearance
B. adjust the valve clearance
C. Measure compression

In that order.
Before you spend any more money

But, you're not going to do that.
Are you?

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Old 08-24-2012, 07:37 PM   #28
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You don't have any bent valves.
You have non adjusted valves
What you need to do is
A. Measure the valve clearance
B. adjust the valve clearance
C. Measure compression

In that order.
Before you spend any more money

But, you're not going to do that.
Are you?

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Old 08-24-2012, 07:38 PM   #29
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You don't have any bent valves.
You have non adjusted valves
What you need to do is
A. Measure the valve clearance
B. adjust the valve clearance
C. Measure compression

In that order.
Before you spend any more money

But, you're not going to do that.
Are you?

on a semi serious note, i would really take what this guy says to heart when it comes to fixin up some moto bikes

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:09 PM   #30
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:13 PM   #31
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You don't have any bent valves.
You have non adjusted valves
What you need to do is
A. Measure the valve clearance
B. adjust the valve clearance
C. Measure compression

In that order.
Before you spend any more money

But, you're not going to do that.
Are you?
Actually, I will be taking the head off tomorrow and looking at it. I have someone who's offered to show me how to measure/adjust valves. So as long as none of them are bent I will be doing all the work myself. If I have bent valves I'll have the shop replace them. But I'm pulling the head off tomorrow to check everything and see where I'm at.

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Old 08-25-2012, 12:06 AM   #32
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: begin rant

I've been biting my tongue the whole time watching you make poor choices in how to go about fixing your bike. To me it sounds like the bike itself is financially above what you need. Not spending all the money at the dealer to have them diagnose problems that were clearly diagnosed here and easy fix if you watch a how to or better yet ask for assistance. You could easily have saved yourself a few hundred dollars. I think at this point though that people are less willing to help you because after telling you multiple times what you need to check and you ignoring them, you finally caved in and found that they were right. If you ask for their help now they will feel as if they are wasting their time when you will clearly ignore them after asking for advice.

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Old 08-25-2012, 12:51 AM   #33
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Hey Fed,
You have a good point. And although I don't totally disagree with you, I do think that there are different perspectives to look at the situation. I try to avoid the shop if I at all can. I think it's unneeded to pay some one to do work that you (me in this case) are capable of doing yourself. So I ask for suggestions. And I ask for help. Here on the forum. I went to a maintenance day, asked questions. Learned new things. Paid attention. However, some of the suggestions that people gave are (or were) things that I didn't know how to do. So I did ask if anyone would be willing to help me and show me how to do certain things. When I had someone who knew what was going on showing me things, I learned. But when noone is available it is incredibly intimidating to do something you have never done before like, cleaning your carbs. Or, adjusting your valves. It's easy to take things apart, but I also have to know how to do the work needed, and be able to put things back together in working order. When someone who has experience isn't available to teach or mentor you in what to do and how to do it properly, and knowing that the smallest mistake can have big consequences, it's intimidating to attempt to tackle a big job on your own. Especially when people say "it's a big job, it's tough." So while I agree that you may be right, from a certain perspective, I also think that not being familiar with mechanics and because of that being reluctant or unable to do particular things in motorcycle repair, it makes it difficult to do some of the repairs. It's also difficult to do things, when you have multiple problems all spring up at once, and you have to figure out which ones are the most important, or easiest to tackle first.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said Fed, I'm just offering a different perspective on the situation. But I appreciate the criticism. All criticism, offered in spite or in favor, is constructive. Thanks!

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:04 AM   #34
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You really could use a shop manual. It tells you how to put things back together if no one is available to walk you through it.

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:08 AM   #35
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What is a shop manual Rob? Is that what comes with the bike if you buy one brand new from a dealer? If it is, where I can find one if I don't have one. If it's not the manual you get when you buy a new bike, then what is it and how can I get one?

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Old 08-25-2012, 02:05 AM   #36
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What is a shop manual Rob? Is that what comes with the bike if you buy one brand new from a dealer? If it is, where I can find one if I don't have one. If it's not the manual you get when you buy a new bike, then what is it and how can I get one?
It's the shop repair manual, not what you get with the bike. It's a good idea to have one for any bike. It has saved me grief and money in the past. I have found mine off of either google shopping or ebay.

Edit: Forgot to mention, if you find a bike specific forum for your motorcycle, a lot of times they will have a download of the shop manual available.

Edit 2: It also prevents you from trying to remove the rear wheel off a KTM 625 SMC for 20 minutes and cursing the bike and the KTM gods. After reading the manual, it came off in about 10 seconds. Jim can vouch for my cursing

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Old 08-25-2012, 02:15 AM   #37
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A quick google search netted me this:

Service Manual:
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/p...ice_Manual.pdf
Supplementary Manual:
http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/p...upp_Manual.pdf

You can save it from there. I'm not sure that '99 and '00 are the same though, so you may check on that. I'm done googling for the night

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Old 08-25-2012, 03:31 AM   #38
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Thank you for the help Rob. And yes, 99 - 01 are interchangable. So if it works for the 99 it'll work for the '00 and the '01 as well. Thank you for showing me what it is. I appreciate the help and have downloaded it to the computer.

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Old 08-25-2012, 03:40 AM   #39
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No problem

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Old 08-25-2012, 08:55 AM   #40
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Actually, I will be taking the head off tomorrow and looking at it. I have someone who's offered to show me how to measure/adjust valves. So as long as none of them are bent I will be doing all the work myself. If I have bent valves I'll have the shop replace them. But I'm pulling the head off tomorrow to check everything and see where I'm at.

I give up.
There is simply nothing more to say.

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