heli gunship escorting ferry last nite - Page 3

Gotama · 09-13-2012, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Too many to multi quote.

yeah, those ferries don't have the thickest skin. BUT, the concrete behind them is pretty strong.

lol what ?

woodpecker · 09-13-2012, 06:34 AM

If it had USAF on the side it was an HH-60 (one of many configurations) and either had a 30MM handing out the side or a 7.62 GAU if mounted. There are a couple other weapon systems they mount but those two are the usual. As for the .50, Pete has it right. Can't mount those, the Helo can't handle the recoil...however they are used handheld. Actually, the Coastie snipers have been running drills and practicing with .50 long rifles from a Helo for a couple years now and are quite good at it.

And the Helo isn't the platform that would take out the Ferry...who the Helo is dropping off would have that task.

After we got rid of the HH-53 the HH-60 has become our primary short/mid transpo and they rarely fly without a team onboard.

Rep for the Airwolf and Blue Thunder pics. lol

MMcN49 · 09-13-2012, 07:29 AM

There was an article in I believe Monday’s Kitsap Sun that a terrorist training exercise would be conducted Wednesday in Eagle Harbor with HLS, USCG and every local LEO Dept. imaginable. They were practicing to find a radiological device. Guess the feds have lots of our money to waste.

In Vietnam I severed with an Army Aviation Unit that flew H Model Huey’s. They were armed with two Aviation M-60’s. Along the way someone in the unit got hold of an M2 50 cal. and thought it would be a good idea to replace one of the 60’s with it.

The armorer and a couple of mechanics spent half the night rigging it up, (the company commander and maintenance officer had no clue). Next day when they flew and test fired it the pilot said that every time it fired it felt the ship was pushed sideways. They only fired two or three rounds. I think that to use an M2 on a small aircraft there’s some kind of shock absorbing mechanism, (to absorb some of the recoil) that we didn’t have.

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gotama

lol what ?

Correct. many vessels use a steel skin, with a layer of concrete behind it. makes them stronger. Also, concrete was poured into some of the ferry bilges for ballast.. Concrete CAN float. You just have to make it big enough where the amount of displacement it produces downward is less than the pressure of the water pushing upwards. it's called buoyancy. You can make almost ANYTHING float using that principle.

Gotama · 09-13-2012, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Correct. many vessels use a steel skin, with a layer of concrete behind it. makes them stronger. Also, concrete was poured into some of the ferry bilges for ballast.. Concrete CAN float. You just have to make it big enough where the amount of displacement it produces downward is less than the pressure of the water pushing upwards. it's called buoyancy. You can make almost ANYTHING float using that principle.

yeah I know the method
I'm surprised you think that's what the wsf uses
that's why I lol Whated ya

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 10:32 AM

I stand corrected, WA got rid of the ferries with concrete in them. However, it would still take a hell of a small arms round to penetrate the hulls.

hayrider · 09-13-2012, 10:56 AM

The air and water activity noted involved multiple departments that insure safety of this region and specifically was preparing for a dirty bomb scenario that would cause havoc and potentially cost lives and certainly untold millions (?billions) of dollars. For those who may remember, there was an event about eleven years ago wherein some fundamentalist terrorists attacked US soil on the eastern seaboard of our country. They used boxcutters to hijack airplanes then and today plan on using dirty bombs that are called dirty because they will/do contain biological and/or fissionable/nuclear materials. Well, unless you live under a rock, you know that the idiotic thinking that spurred that attack is still functioning today and just waiting for the opportunity. Here in the northwest corner of our country we have many truly important targets that these creeps want to damage. Think Boeing, Microsoft, multiple strategic military sites, agricultural and healthcare agencies...
The activity acknowledges that we are certainly vulnerable to incredible damage that would change our lives in a way that no one I know wants and the folks who were seen training want to be good citizens and first responders to mitigate the bad consequences of another attack. If I were to think that this is not a very real threat, I would maybe join those increasing numbers of folks that believe that September 11 did not really occur, man did not land on the moon and that the world is really flat.
Fuck the creeps that seek to do us harm; be vigilant and prepared and support each individuals right to protect themselves and our nation to do likewise. I am thankful that all the heli, boat, personnel who were involved in the observed training were doing it.

MMcN49 · 09-13-2012, 11:16 AM

This picture shows a Marine Corp N Model Huey fitted with an M2. This is a heavier, twin engine aircraft than the H Model.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1n_takeoff.JPG

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by MMcN49

This picture shows a Marine Corp N Model Huey fitted with an M2. This is a heavier, twin engine aircraft than the H Model.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1n_takeoff.JPG

BMG's are cool. they do a good job of making holes in shit.

woodpecker · 09-13-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

BMG's are cool. they do a good job of making BIG holes in shit.

Fixt for you...

and yes they do.

SkiPunk11 · 09-13-2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by MMcN49

This picture shows a Marine Corp N Model Huey fitted with an M2. This is a heavier, twin engine aircraft than the H Model.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1n_takeoff.JPG

and they are Marines...they dont care about the vibrations killing the stability of their aircraft. Just there to blow shit up lol

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 11:34 AM

Ok. Dammit. we need to test this problem. somebody find a 3/4" piece of plate steel. and a .50 BMG. now i want to know if it will go through it, lol.

Gotama · 09-13-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Ok. Dammit. we need to test this problem. somebody find a 3/4" piece of plate steel. and a .50 BMG. now i want to know if it will go through it, lol.

lol
be right back

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gotama

lol
be right back

word. to make this complete, i'll go get the 18 pack of PBR.

woodpecker · 09-13-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by coastiepete

Ok. Dammit. we need to test this problem. somebody find a 3/4" piece of plate steel. and a .50 BMG. now i want to know if it will go through it, lol.

It will...just have to use the correct round.

coastiepete · 09-13-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by woodpecker

It will...just have to use the correct round.

AP oughta do it. but you telling us defeats the experiment. now shush. dream killer

woodpecker · 09-13-2012, 01:13 PM

Sorry, sometimes I forget I get to play with all the cool toys at work.

Now let's open that PBR and start sperimentin!!!

WaGigKPN · 09-13-2012, 01:25 PM

Ferry hulls are probably anywhere from 3/8'' to 1/2 inch thick..might be thinner...

taznhell · 09-13-2012, 02:14 PM

Funny we spend millions of dollars to search an 80 year old lady at the airport as a suspected terrorist yet millions imigrate to the US illegally everyday....and we are secure how? This type of activity is all for show so you feel safe.

woodpecker · 09-13-2012, 02:55 PM

I can assure you it's not for show if you're one of us in the Helo.


09-13-2012, 06:34 AM	#42
woodpecker Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: your mommas house I Ride: skinny hot women with bit TT's	If it had USAF on the side it was an HH-60 (one of many configurations) and either had a 30MM handing out the side or a 7.62 GAU if mounted. There are a couple other weapon systems they mount but those two are the usual. As for the .50, Pete has it right. Can't mount those, the Helo can't handle the recoil...however they are used handheld. Actually, the Coastie snipers have been running drills and practicing with .50 long rifles from a Helo for a couple years now and are quite good at it. And the Helo isn't the platform that would take out the Ferry...who the Helo is dropping off would have that task. After we got rid of the HH-53 the HH-60 has become our primary short/mid transpo and they rarely fly without a team onboard. Rep for the Airwolf and Blue Thunder pics. lol __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 07:29 AM	#43
MMcN49 Permit Joined: Jul 2012 From: Bainbridge Island, WA I Ride: 72 BMW R75/5, 07 Buell XB12STT (2)	There was an article in I believe Monday’s Kitsap Sun that a terrorist training exercise would be conducted Wednesday in Eagle Harbor with HLS, USCG and every local LEO Dept. imaginable. They were practicing to find a radiological device. Guess the feds have lots of our money to waste. In Vietnam I severed with an Army Aviation Unit that flew H Model Huey’s. They were armed with two Aviation M-60’s. Along the way someone in the unit got hold of an M2 50 cal. and thought it would be a good idea to replace one of the 60’s with it. The armorer and a couple of mechanics spent half the night rigging it up, (the company commander and maintenance officer had no clue). Next day when they flew and test fired it the pilot said that every time it fired it felt the ship was pushed sideways. They only fired two or three rounds. I think that to use an M2 on a small aircraft there’s some kind of shock absorbing mechanism, (to absorb some of the recoil) that we didn’t have. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 10:32 AM	#46
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	I stand corrected, WA got rid of the ferries with concrete in them. However, it would still take a hell of a small arms round to penetrate the hulls. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 10:56 AM	#47
hayrider Newbie Joined: Jun 2012 From: kitsap, washington	The air and water activity noted involved multiple departments that insure safety of this region and specifically was preparing for a dirty bomb scenario that would cause havoc and potentially cost lives and certainly untold millions (?billions) of dollars. For those who may remember, there was an event about eleven years ago wherein some fundamentalist terrorists attacked US soil on the eastern seaboard of our country. They used boxcutters to hijack airplanes then and today plan on using dirty bombs that are called dirty because they will/do contain biological and/or fissionable/nuclear materials. Well, unless you live under a rock, you know that the idiotic thinking that spurred that attack is still functioning today and just waiting for the opportunity. Here in the northwest corner of our country we have many truly important targets that these creeps want to damage. Think Boeing, Microsoft, multiple strategic military sites, agricultural and healthcare agencies... The activity acknowledges that we are certainly vulnerable to incredible damage that would change our lives in a way that no one I know wants and the folks who were seen training want to be good citizens and first responders to mitigate the bad consequences of another attack. If I were to think that this is not a very real threat, I would maybe join those increasing numbers of folks that believe that September 11 did not really occur, man did not land on the moon and that the world is really flat. Fuck the creeps that seek to do us harm; be vigilant and prepared and support each individuals right to protect themselves and our nation to do likewise. I am thankful that all the heli, boat, personnel who were involved in the observed training were doing it. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 11:16 AM	#48
MMcN49 Permit Joined: Jul 2012 From: Bainbridge Island, WA I Ride: 72 BMW R75/5, 07 Buell XB12STT (2)	This picture shows a Marine Corp N Model Huey fitted with an M2. This is a heavier, twin engine aircraft than the H Model. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1n_takeoff.JPG __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 11:34 AM	#52
coastiepete Novice Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Youngstown NY I Ride: Speed Triple, GS750, KX 500, 450 EXC-R, KH400, MXZ 700 Renegade	Ok. Dammit. we need to test this problem. somebody find a 3/4" piece of plate steel. and a .50 BMG. now i want to know if it will go through it, lol. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 01:13 PM	#57
woodpecker Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: your mommas house I Ride: skinny hot women with bit TT's	Sorry, sometimes I forget I get to play with all the cool toys at work. Now let's open that PBR and start sperimentin!!! __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 01:25 PM	#58
WaGigKPN Peg Dragger Joined: Mar 2012 From: Gig Harbor, WA I Ride: 2002 Honda VFR800	Ferry hulls are probably anywhere from 3/8'' to 1/2 inch thick..might be thinner... __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 02:14 PM	#59
taznhell Shredder Joined: Jul 2008 From: Cornelius, Oregon I Ride: Everyday	Funny we spend millions of dollars to search an 80 year old lady at the airport as a suspected terrorist yet millions imigrate to the US illegally everyday....and we are secure how? This type of activity is all for show so you feel safe. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter


09-13-2012, 02:55 PM	#60
woodpecker Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2009 From: your mommas house I Ride: skinny hot women with bit TT's	I can assure you it's not for show if you're one of us in the Helo. __________________ Follow PNW Riders on Facebook and Twitter

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