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Old 06-29-2008, 10:55 PM   #101
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Wow, how about everyone just can just STFU and get to the point that Beau is trying to make, ok? I mean, I do not even know Beau personally and I feel like he is getting railed on a little much. He had an idea, did not work out. Ok, so like I said, STFU and move on to the point already.

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Old 06-29-2008, 10:56 PM   #102
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Wow, how about everyone just can just STFU and get to the point that Beau is trying to make, ok? I mean, I do not even know Beau personally and I feel like he is getting railed on a little much. He had an idea, did not work out. Ok, so like I said, STFU and move on to the point already.
You can take one of those pills as well.

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Old 06-29-2008, 11:01 PM   #103
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You can take one of those pills as well.
lol I am good. I just feel like he is getting "ganged up on" and the point has already been made, several times.

Kinda like posting a to a good point after 4 people already have. get it?

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Old 06-29-2008, 11:25 PM   #104
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Ok, maybe I went a little over the top, so...

Ken I am sorry, for flipping out.

My biggest issue, is over just the past two days, I have been followed by cops just waiting for me to do something they don't like, I have been tailgaited by dumbshit cagers with camera's on, and one of these asshats with his camera was filming me and started "accidently" moving over into my lane but caught himself. Can you blame him, they want to be the next big story on King 5.

What I am trying to do here is to show people that we are not all out to pop wheelies on I-5.

Bill I love that Idea, but before we do that we have to figure out what the charity is going to be, and we need to have permission from whomever the charity is for to do such a thing. Personally with all of the negative media coverage, I do not see any non-profit organization willing to have thier name attached to a bunch of sportbike riders. But it was an excellent Idea.

Thanks to all who are supporting this. Again, I am going to make this public, and if anyone shows up and starts pulling some crazy shit to show off in front of the video camera's then I guess the media is right and our bikes shouldn't be allowed on the road... Catch my drift?

Why do I have to suffer, or any of the rest of you responsible riders on this forum for people who have to respect for the law, or for other people for that matter. These people who were caught in the act on I-5 were taking up all lanes of traffic, and not letting many vehicles thru and were causing traffic to slow down behind them.

There is a brother and sisterhood amoung riders world wide, why are we quickly this summer becoming the redheaded stepchildren of the family of riders?

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Old 06-29-2008, 11:29 PM   #105
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Oh and by the way, when we do this we will not be mentioning PNWRiders, this is not something we would want to associate with this website, but just as a community of sportbike riders

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Old 06-30-2008, 12:26 AM   #106
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Ok...I know I said I was done with this forum..and I still pretty much am..but I feel this issue is important and I am fucking too opinionated to keep my mouth shut about it..

Ken's concerns are valid and I am not attacking him...

but,doesnt his post totally fucking PROVE that out of many,many,many bikers..there are only a few asshats making all of us look bad with the stuff they are doing??

You are about to have a bikenight and say you have 40 show up...Perhaps even more than that because of the media being there..

A group of stunters,say 5 of them, goes by and shows off for the crowd..because showing off is what they like to do..

Doesnt that help the cause of the POINT of this thread? I mean you would have video of a large crowd of bikes..Chillin,and not causing hate and discontent,and video of a small crowd of bikes showing off for the larger crowd of bikes..PROVING..that is the smaller crowd making the bigger crowd look bad..(in there eyes..I think like Pete,I dont own a sportbike to go slow)

So the owner of Ivars would get mad if his resturant was shown on TV hosting a bikenight ??? Why??

I dont think Ken flipped out...but I think he is pretty sensative about "his bikenights" and I will leave it at that..

I will talk to the owner of the Cedarwood and ask him what he thinks of the news showing up there if you would like Beau..(PM incoming bro)..I really dont think he would mind the publicity..We can even show them that burnouts and stunting can be done in a safe enviorment,and that stunters can be responsible riders too.

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Old 06-30-2008, 01:04 AM   #107
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tailgaited by dumbshit cagers with camera's on
Had someone taking pictures of me tonight on I5.

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:03 AM   #108
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Had someone taking pictures of me tonight on I5.
Play it cool or flip them off?

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Old 06-30-2008, 06:42 AM   #109
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I think I'm gong to call the news and have them investigate why motorcycles are turning normal guys into pussies. It seems when you ride a bike in the northwest your estrogen count goes up and you start bitching and whining about silly shit like, wheelies and, image and posting on Internet forums about what other people are wearing while they are out enjoying life.
I will volunteer to do drive by wheelies on my super tard for the media. This should take the heat off of the sport bike non-riders around here.


















































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Old 06-30-2008, 07:33 AM   #110
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A group of stunters,say 5 of them, goes by and shows off for the crowd..because showing off is what they like to do..

Doesnt that help the cause of the POINT of this thread? I mean you would have video of a large crowd of bikes..Chillin,and not causing hate and discontent,and video of a small crowd of bikes showing off for the larger crowd of bikes..PROVING..that is the smaller crowd making the bigger crowd look bad..(in there eyes..I think like Pete,I dont own a sportbike to go slow)
Good point.

But this is TV news we're talking about, and their primary concern is getting and keeping eyeballs aimed at them--not presenting a balanced story or serving the community. They will take the footage they have available and put it together into whatever story they think is most compelling. If those stunters roll by, suddenly the newsfolk have more angles they can take with the story.

All the same: Beau, my hat is off to you for standing up and trying this. I hope it turns out well and you/we get a fair story.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:49 AM   #111
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I think I'm gong to call the news and have them investigate why motorcycles are turning normal guys into pussies. It seems when you ride a bike in the northwest your estrogen count goes up and you start bitching and whining about silly shit like, wheelies and, image and posting on Internet forums about what other people are wearing while they are out enjoying life.
I will volunteer to do drive by wheelies on my super tard for the media. This should take the heat off of the sport bike non-riders around here.
BITCHES
When the greater geeks figure out a way to back hand someone through the internet you are the first to get it.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:58 AM   #112
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im actually on my way to move to puerto rico and totally missed this one what exactly happened on 5 the other day

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Old 06-30-2008, 10:46 AM   #113
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And then you wonder why you have people wanting to ban sport bikes and what not? With an attitude like this, I could easily sympathize with those who want to ban them and very easily see why they have such a bad rep. Only reason I'd be aganist is I know there are at least a few responsible ones and I feel it unfair to them that cause most prefer to be irresponsible that they pay the price.

As some one else said, there is such things as race tracks where you can use them as they were designed to be used (on the race track). If you feel that is the only use for htem is as they were designed, why even have them legal for the road? They were designed for race tracks, if you can't use them any other way, keep them on there *shrug*.

Personally, I can see other reasons for wanting a sport bike and having one and still using it responsibley on the road. But apparently you want it your way.. and if we had it your way, then I see no reason they should be legal on the road. If one should only use them for their original design, then one should only use them on the track (that was what they were originally designed for). So, GP, why not put your money where your mouth is and only use your bike on the track since you so strongly feel they should only be used for what they were designed for?
I did put my money where my mouth is... I sold my sport bike. It just wasn't fun anymore, I couldn't ride it like it was intended to be ridden, the way it begged to be ridden, without constantly being paranoid about cops. Modern sport bikes are so fast and capable in order to feel like you're using them at all you're breaking a dozen laws at a time. They don't really even come into their own til 80-100 mph... already over any speed limit. And as they become more and more track focused, they become even less practical for any other use other than thrashing on them. So given all that, I sold mine and went the supermoto route. I do want to buy another sport bike again, but it will be track only this time... I won't even have it licensed for the street.

IMHO "riding responsibly" and sport bikes simply aren't compatible by default. They are designed for speed and performance. If you use even a fraction of that performance, you're already breaking laws and riding irresponsibly. if you ride one totally within the law, what's the point? Why sacrifice comfort, practicality etc for performance you'll never use? To look cool? To try and impress people? To fit in with a certain group? To go on group rides and attend bike nights? All pathetic reasons in my book.

But if you want to look at the big picture, why are sport bikes, and sports cars for that matter legal at all? Both are designed for speed and performance, neither of which you can use or experience without breaking all kinds of laws. Yet they are not only sold, but marketed exactly that way... all about performance. Nobody buys a Ferrari to haul their kids to soccer and go to Costco. It's huge pile of hypocrisy... we market and sell vehicles designed purely for performance, yet if you actually *use* that performance, you get in trouble.

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Old 06-30-2008, 11:25 AM   #114
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Oh I almost forgot... if/when you do your story with King5, make sure to tell them about the weekly crashes on group rides, link them to the plethora of crash threads here about them, and all the squid sighting threads, and other petty bullshit that goes on, so they get a truly accurate picture of our so-called ambassadors to the sport. I dare ya.

Just cuz you don't wheelie on I-5 doesn't mean your shit doesn't stink.

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:44 PM   #115
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Im sorry you got so fed up you sold your sport bike Pete..I am so on your page..except the part of selling my bike for something more street practicle..but I hear ya on what a redicoulas farce it is to sell these machines and govern them with 55-60 mph speed limits.

You dont even feel like you are moving untill you hit 80mph..and it gets there so insanely fast..

I guess I dont mind the laywer bills and the hospital bills and the bills of getting my bike back together after I wad it up..Its only money,and you cant take it with you,and I will be damned if I am going to let some petty ass laws and paper keep me from doing something I love..IF I die being reckless on the street...So be it..Dont feel sorry for me and DONT FUCKING PRAY FOR ME..I was having a blast right before the lights went out,and that is all you need to remember about me. Hopefully if that happens it wont involve anyone else..which it shouldnt cause I am pretty carefull where I let the bike show me what it can do...I am more about corners than top speeds anyways..I can have a lot of fun doing 80-90 through the twisties out here,and if I get a ticket or a reckless...big deal. It wont be the first time..and it wont be the last..

Cops and the public arent mad at us for railing the twisties...or hauling ass out in the middle of nowhere...they are mad at us for riding stupid fast around other cars on the freeway and stunting on the freeway while holding cars up..they are mad at us for outrunning them..they are mad at us for riding very irresponsibly with these powerfull machines...

Personally I see nothing wrong with railing the twisties over the speed limit..That is what these things are for..They are made to go fast and corner well...There is a time and a place.

Yeah I dont like being Cop paranoid all the time..that is the lamest thing about it..but like I said,its only money and life (to me) is about how much fun you have,and not how much money you have.

There is an expression..Its says.."One bad apple spoiles the whole bunch"

Well what would a few bad apples do??

Im not sure we can repair the damage..but we can try I guess..

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:44 PM   #116
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But if you want to look at the big picture, why are sport bikes, and sports cars for that matter legal at all? Both are designed for speed and performance, neither of which you can use or experience without breaking all kinds of laws. Yet they are not only sold, but marketed exactly that way... all about performance. Nobody buys a Ferrari to haul their kids to soccer and go to Costco. It's huge pile of hypocrisy... we market and sell vehicles designed purely for performance, yet if you actually *use* that performance, you get in trouble.
It's true that the capabilities of performance vehicles are flaunted and that they cannot be used to their full potential on the street. It's also true that the advertising for these vehicles tout that capability as a major selling point even though no owner would be legally allowed to do so on the street. It is very much a hypocritical situation.

However, anybody in any vehicle sold today (or even 50+ years ago) can still get a speeding ticket on the street. It's all about self-control.







I do agree with the intent of Beau's post and I would be willing to support it myself. Beau, please PM me the details when you know them so that I can participate.

I recommend that a written statement be read to the reporter. Would be best to keep it short and to the point in order to not give them much to hang us with... I still do NOT trust them at all.

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:46 PM   #117
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Oh I almost forgot... if/when you do your story with King5, make sure to tell them about the weekly crashes on group rides, link them to the plethora of crash threads here about them, and all the squid sighting threads, and other petty bullshit that goes on, so they get a truly accurate picture of our so-called ambassadors to the sport. I dare ya.

Just cuz you don't wheelie on I-5 doesn't mean your shit doesn't stink.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:51 PM   #118
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I did put my money where my mouth is... I sold my sport bike. It just wasn't fun anymore, I couldn't ride it like it was intended to be ridden, the way it begged to be ridden, without constantly being paranoid about cops. Modern sport bikes are so fast and capable in order to feel like you're using them at all you're breaking a dozen laws at a time. They don't really even come into their own til 80-100 mph... already over any speed limit. And as they become more and more track focused, they become even less practical for any other use other than thrashing on them. So given all that, I sold mine and went the supermoto route. I do want to buy another sport bike again, but it will be track only this time... I won't even have it licensed for the street.

IMHO "riding responsibly" and sport bikes simply aren't compatible by default. They are designed for speed and performance. If you use even a fraction of that performance, you're already breaking laws and riding irresponsibly. if you ride one totally within the law, what's the point? Why sacrifice comfort, practicality etc for performance you'll never use? To look cool? To try and impress people? To fit in with a certain group? To go on group rides and attend bike nights? All pathetic reasons in my book.

But if you want to look at the big picture, why are sport bikes, and sports cars for that matter legal at all? Both are designed for speed and performance, neither of which you can use or experience without breaking all kinds of laws. Yet they are not only sold, but marketed exactly that way... all about performance. Nobody buys a Ferrari to haul their kids to soccer and go to Costco. It's huge pile of hypocrisy... we market and sell vehicles designed purely for performance, yet if you actually *use* that performance, you get in trouble.
There is logic there... I have said many times that sport bikes are 1) not fun 2) over imaged and 3) overbuilt for the street.

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Old 06-30-2008, 02:56 PM   #119
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There is logic there... I have said many times that sport bikes are 1) not fun 2) over imaged and 3) overbuilt for the street.
Just because it is overbuilt for the street does not mean it is not a good machine for the road. I like it being overbuild so I can slow down as fast as I want, speed up as fast as I want, and corner as fast as I want. Less likely to get hurt if you can control your ride that much more.

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Old 07-01-2008, 10:34 AM   #120
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There is logic there... I have said many times that sport bikes are 1) not fun 2) over imaged and 3) overbuilt for the street.
Says the guy on a VTX....

No offense Shrek X...but seriously...How can you say Sportbikes are not fun?? Are you kidding me?? I really hope you are at least speaking from personal experience and NOT talking out of your ass..

The only thing that VTX will do better than my gsxr is carry saddlebags,and perhaps it is more comfortable on long trips (if your body likes sitbacks...my lower back cannot take the cruiser riding position,so for me sportbikes are more comfortable),and carry passengers more comfortably...

other than that..My bike will stop better,corner better,accelerate better and react faster (and be more nimble) to road hazards than your big ole heavy bike..So you can dog all you want on sportbikes..but to me they are 100 times safer than what you are riding..

Plus look at your riding position..legs all way up in front with all of your weight on your ass..There is no way you are jumping off your pegs in that position..and if you are about to get T-Boned..its nice to have your legs underneath you..Trust me..I know..

Sportbikes are superior machines..bro. I hate to burst your cruiser bubble.


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