Rachett

just wondering has any tried to get together with any parks programs or anything to open a stunt park?

cbrchic

It's hard enough to get a stunt show put together for a few hours (let alone a permanent facility)..........Insurance/Liability is really expensive.


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Jersey John

Yup. Good luck finding someone that will allow this prior to getting something like a hold harmless agreement drafted and signed first.

Not a bad idea but not likely to happen legally.

People used to stunt a few years back in front of RMC then the police became a nightly fixture and speed bumps were installed. Can't really blame RMC either since I saw a few crashes when I watched them stunt and sooner or later RMC would get sued considering they have the deeper pockets. Price we pay in a litigious society I guess and we can only blame ourselves.

Stick to the Tacoma tideflats or I-5 I guess.

CodeBlue

If the parks dept will fund dozens of skate parks without worrying about litigation it would only make sense that they'd open at least one stunt area. Not huge, but 1/8 mile x 1/8 mile. Who would we talk to at the parks department about doing something like this? I can't imagine the state patrol opposing it because at least we won't be in their hair. We'd probably even get their backing. I've seen something like this in France, but I haven't heard of anything like it in the states.

Gotama

the speed bumps at RMC are well used by the stunters

cbrchic

Good point with mentioning the skate parks. I don't know who you would talk to. And Europe gets to do all kinds of cool things that the USA never gets.


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Jersey John

I see your reasoning.

It's worth a shot but Im guessing some of the hurdles in getting them to approve something like that would be:

- fact that motorcycles are motorized and capable of more damage/injury (it would be argued anyway);
- need a license to operate a motorcycle on public roads and most likely then in a public park. Therefore someone would probably have to staff the park to ensure everyone is endorsed, etc.;
- higher insurance premium for a bike stunt spot due to higher risk with a motorcycle vs. skateboard/bicycle.

There are unfortunately always higher restrictions here in the US compared to most of Europe. I guess you could research any existing stunt parks in Europe or whereever and use what you find in a proposal. I like the idea of a stuntpark but again I doubt it could happen. Would be cool to get someone like Jason Britton or ICON to back it.

CodeBlue

Just because I'd like to see this happen I'll throw out my arguments against your points:

1. They let us get filming permits on roads where we're allowed to break speed limits and other traffic laws as long as they're closed, this shouldn't be too much of an issue.
2. One of the most famous stunt riders is underaged. I don't remember his name, I want to call him Colton or something, but the point stands that people of any age can enjoy this sport, with the proper supervision.
3. Just treat it like a racetrack and have insurance thrown out the window once you ride in.

We just have to figure out who to talk to. I'll talk to a buddy of mine who's a stater and see if he can find out who to talk to there to get an idea of how the WSP would look at it. I'm just at a loss as to who to call/write in the parks department.

Toucan

I'll toss out a couple thinking points:
1.Road use is based upon temp use, under supervision, with HEAVY insurance backing.
2. Key being proper supervision, and knowing what the hell your doing. Imagine an area where people with little to no skills are crashing into each other, trying to learn. Insurance becomes impossible to get (for the site, not the participants) and the lawyers have a field day.
3. If you aren't racing, but practicing (trackdays, track schools, non-timed events) some insurance companies cover crashes at the track. Think this would go over well in a stunt park? For how long?

It all would come down to insurance, lawyers, and liability for the property owners or those running the site. I'm guessing the site would need to carry a minimum of $3mil per/$5mil day coverage, and the costs to participants would be astronomical.

I'd like to be proven wrong, really wrong. I think it would be a good idea, though I see a pipe dream unfortunately

CodeBlue

FREE and legal stunt spot. If we could convince the parks department to build it I'm sure they could make themselves immune to litigation.

Sure there would be rookies, but I think that if the state is serious about cutting down on motorcycle deaths and not just about turning a profit then they'd like the idea.

As for insurance: any insurance company would see the location of the accident on the police report and see that it was at a stunt location and not pay for the bike. They'd treat it as if you were racing.

Rachett

Speed Bumps equal no problem. at RMC for this guy
http://good-times.webshots.com/video...04273139hGKgPt

MichelinMan

Uhhh...

There's one in downtown Renton...

... and another in Seattle...

MichelinMan

Dude, WTF?

Rachett

my bad try it now..

AcXr50

I hit them every time!

erixgsxr

Hey Ratchet, how'd you get that footage? Thats Allen in the front with the bandanna, I ride with those guys.....

Icon

Its in our make-up to be more anal than other countries...We were founded by religious prudish nutjobs that were basicly kicked out of England for taking religion just a bit too serious...

I hate to burst anyones bubble who think human kind has really come a long way...but that was only a few hundred years ago,and in the grand scheme of things...that isnt a very long time.


Maybe when we can learn to advance as a species cooperatively,setting aside our petty differences and not trying to fuck each other or blame other people when we fuck up...Maybe then our other foot will join the one that is not still in the Cave.

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RC51

As nice as it would be for the parks department to set up something like that, I don't think it would ever happen, too much bs involved, and way too much money for an initial investment on the gov's part (unless somehow you were able to find a nice patch of unused pavement that would already be perfect for it, which isn't likely). Maybe an old military base somewhere? Still a ton of red tape to get through.


I think the best bet would be to do it at a track because:

1) They are already set up for "off road" use of vehicles,
2) They know the insurance costs, and would be able to give you a figure that isn't just a random guess.
3) They like to make money.


Where ever it happens, if it ever happens, it's not going to be free for those who want to go there. It would also be pretty hard to get any big name sponsors. They like advertisement, but they don't like liabilities, and a park that they are invested in, or own part of, or in any way associated with, is a big liability. Now, if you were to get a park up and running and then sold them some advertising space, that would be somethign they might go for.

There is the off chance that somebody who is like-minded and just happens to have a spot opening up a place on their own, but it will start out small, but by the time it gets big and people know where it is, he will get sued or hassled by too many people and will shut it down. The same thing happens with off-road 4x4 parks. And usually if the person keeps it open, they lose money on it every year.

brakes2l8

on the videos you always see people stunting loading docks. why cant we just pick one and go there. can the cops do any worse than just kick us out?

jeremy

yes they can. and they will.

i really dont see this as being unattainable though. theres a great parking lot in auburn at the supermall by the theater. it gets used like 3x a year by the RV and used car sales down there. but other than than i've never seen a car in it. theres also a new lot going in between the mall and the theater that would be perfect, but i forsee that one getting used.

i would think having it in a high traffic area would attract sponsers? just a thought.

Bouncer

ya'll want a stunt spot? do it in front of my house!!!!! jus watch out for my mom's car!!!!

CodeBlue

They can dish out recklesses, criminal trespass, loitering, any vehicle violations... Cops CAN be huge dicks if they want to be. The definition of reckless driving is so vague in this state that you can get one for just about anything if you're enough of a jerk to a cop or if he's in a bad enough mood.

RC51

How can they give you a ticket when you aren't on a public road? I understand the trespass and loitering, which would be total dick head moves anyways, unless you were already told not to be there.

Shaney_G

I've ridden my dirt bike on Boeing property and the cops have come. All they said was that some of the workers in one of the office buildings complained and that we had to leave. Nothing more to it than that.