Motorcycle endorsements

Stew · 10-31-2008, 03:35 PM

There appear to be some folks that think the law requiring motorcycle endorsements should be repealed. Your opinions?

Ejlofty · 10-31-2008, 03:43 PM

That would be stupid, check the stats on non endorsed riders crashing.

JohnnyM · 10-31-2008, 03:44 PM

Holy hell, no! If anything, make them more realistic and do them on a track at street speeds. Think MSC, but at 55Mph.

Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so DBags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass Harley for their first bike.

bukwld · 10-31-2008, 03:45 PM

agreed with johnny!! trying to repeal the law is stupid. it would never happen in the first place. our death rate would rise and we'd be profiled even more

nwgmt · 10-31-2008, 03:45 PM

ya...that would be a very unintelligent decision to make

nwgmt · 10-31-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by johnnym

holy hell, no! If anything, make them more realistic and do them on a track at street speeds. Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so dbags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass harley for their first bike.

qft!

tokin · 10-31-2008, 03:50 PM

I think the stuff they teach in MSF/require on the rider test should be required to get a car license too.

Why is it harder to get a motorcycle endorsement then a drivers license?

Stew · 10-31-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by tokin

I think the stuff they teach in MSF/require on the rider test should be required to get a car license too.

Why is it harder to get a motorcycle endorsement then a drivers license?

Generally testing follows the fed/national standards. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to make all of it significantly harder.

nwgmt · 10-31-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stew

Generally testing follows the fed/national standards. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to make all of it significantly harder.

ya...i thought the dmv test was a joke!!!! ill never use any of the skills they taught me in those conditions

shooter2000 · 10-31-2008, 07:37 PM

If anything I say the test should be a little harder to pass. If you cannot pass that test you should NEVER be on the road.

erickb · 10-31-2008, 07:44 PM

don't matter anyone can go bike any size bike they want and still will not know how to ride. So the endorsement does not matter, also you don't have to have one to buy a mc so WTF

courier11sec · 10-31-2008, 07:45 PM

I think a motorcycle endorsement should be the first step in gaining ones driving privilege at all. At least for those physically able to operate all the controls.

David Davenport · 10-31-2008, 08:02 PM

Bad idea. Could be a major population decrease.

And lots more of those guys around.

snake · 10-31-2008, 08:12 PM

All I know is I think everyone should ignore the law. It probably doesn't really exist.

courier11sec · 10-31-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by David Davenport

Bad idea. Could be a major population decrease.

And lots more of those guys around.

I know that the people left would be better, safer drivers, making the roads a safer place to be.

polychlorobenzene · 10-31-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyM

Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so DBags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass Harley for their first bike.

I agree with this. I took the test on a 50cc Honda scooter. It did not prepare me for a real bike at all.

gixxerbabe · 10-31-2008, 08:24 PM

I think getting an endorsement should stay requirement. I hate to even imagine riders out on the streets without ever receiving an endorsement. Its the street not some back dirt trail.

Coug91 · 10-31-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by johnnym

holy hell, no! If anything, make them more realistic and do them on a track at street speeds. Think msc, but at 55mph.

Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so dbags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass harley for their first bike.

Warhammer34 · 10-31-2008, 08:46 PM

There should be a tiered system. I took the test on my 1krrr. Passed with a little bit of practice prior to test. That's how it should be, test on what you plan to put on the street. Anyone can twist the throttle, few can handle their bikes at low speed. At those speeds is where our bread and butter reside.

RavenRider62 · 10-31-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by shooter2000

If anything I say the test should be a little harder to pass. If you cannot pass that test you should NEVER be on the road.

I got mine last week finaly and I was the only one to pass and I bairly did it. I only hit one cone in the balance and u turn test. But I took it on the bike I ride a R6. I liked it back in the day where you had leavels of endorsement for the size of bike you had. If you take it on a scooter ride a scooter and nothing else.

ebmasott · 10-31-2008, 09:03 PM

umm... I'm one of thos "DBags" who bought a Harley as my first bike. I put 50k miles on it, including a cross-country trip, and NEVER wrecked. It's not the size of the bike; it's the rider riding sensibly and within his/her abilities.

That said, eliminating the endorsement would be bad. It's too bad you can't make having one a prerequisite for the purchase. Never could figure out why an unlicensed person would buy a bike in the first place. You can't test ride, for instance. That same person wouldn't buy a car without a test-drive first, right?

Thanks for the pidgeon-holing, by the way.

Originally Posted by JohnnyM

Holy hell, no! If anything, make them more realistic and do them on a track at street speeds. Think MSC, but at 55Mph.

Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so DBags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass Harley for their first bike.

dragracer1951 · 11-01-2008, 08:14 AM

I remember when there was no requirement in Wa for a motorcycle endorsment. Lots of people bought little bikes and rode around. Some of em got into trouble others didn't. Lots of kids got a Honda 90 to get to school on. Most of em didn't die.
Today is somewhat different. Bikes are a LOT faster. Kids have more disposable income. Really fast bikes are much more popular. Washington went to a tiered system in the laet 70's or early 80's I think. Didn't make a lot of difference. Got dropped not long after.
Today I would most likely be in favor of a tiered system. I for sure think an endorsment ought to be required for the purchase of a bike though. I think the penalties for riding without an endorsment ought to be increased. Same with eluding.
But I think it would not be a good thing to remove teh requirement for an endorsment. It would just get more people hurt and cause more profiling by the police than we already have. Not to mention the fact that insurance rates would go through the roof. As if they wern't already high enough.
I think you could start on a 500cc and less license, go to a 600 license and then open it up to what ever you want to ride. Or more likely, (because there are different styles of bikes) you could control it by power to weight ratio...
But most people just starting out aren't buying a huge assed cruser.... They are buying a sport bike.

BordnBill · 11-01-2008, 08:23 AM

An endorsement should be required when purchasing or registering a bike.

MichelinMan · 11-01-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by BordnBill

An endorsement should be required when purchasing or registering a bike.

What about someone who owns a motorcycle shop? Someone who has an appreciation for bikes, but chooses not to ride?

JTR · 11-01-2008, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by BordnBill

An endorsement should be required when purchasing or registering a bike.

theres already enough dumbasses w/ bikes, i must be getting old b/c I also think anyone under 25 should have to do the same the Euro's do

sure there are exceptions, but most young punks aren't mature enough to own 1 even tho they'll tell you diffrently...you know, the fucktards that still try and rail HB and BHr, or wheelie down the freeways for attention thinking their cool

james1300 · 11-01-2008, 10:20 AM

Keep the endorsement! Make it tiered. By experiance and skill. That way a Nubee doesnt get a 600cc Superbike for their first street bike.

David Davenport · 11-01-2008, 10:21 AM

I got my endosement by taking a class. They treat you and train you as if you've never touched a bike before. And in 3 days your good to go. You usually have the skills, for the road or bigger bikes. My first ride I still use. And I've seen people who've never touched a bike come out with some good starting skills. Just like a drivers education class this should be a must for all.

shooter2000 · 11-01-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by MichelinMan

What about someone who owns a motorcycle shop? Someone who has an appreciation for bikes, but chooses not to ride?

Too damn bad. IMHO. To me that would be like someone having an appreciation to planes but not have their pilots license.

rpappi · 11-01-2008, 10:22 AM

Im all for it

the more population control the better

Eugene · 11-01-2008, 11:02 AM

I took the Team Oregon course, did VERY well and passed with zero faults, rode a 250 around for a month, bought an SV650S...and im still squiddy as fuck......so to just get a motorcycle and start riding would probably be a bad idea........

Beemerkat · 11-01-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by james1300

Keep the endorsement! Make it tiered. By experiance and skill. That way a Nubee doesnt get a 600cc Superbike for their first street bike.


10-31-2008, 03:35 PM	#1
Stew Pit Crew Joined: Mar 2007 From: Washington I Ride: KTM 950; Suzuki C90, BMW R1150RT	Motorcycle endorsements There appear to be some folks that think the law requiring motorcycle endorsements should be repealed. Your opinions?


10-31-2008, 03:44 PM	#3
JohnnyM MotoGP Champion Joined: Jul 2006 From: Pullman, WA I Ride: '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory, '07 Vstar 1100 Classic	Holy hell, no! If anything, make them more realistic and do them on a track at street speeds. Think MSC, but at 55Mph. Oh, and bring back the whole tiered system so DBags don't take the test on a automatic scooter, then go out and pick up a friggin' 'busa or big-ass Harley for their first bike. Last edited by JohnnyM; 10-31-2008 at 03:46 PM..


11-01-2008, 08:14 AM	#22
dragracer1951 MotoGP Contender Joined: Sep 2005 From: Bremerton I Ride: 06 R1 50th, 05 DRZ400SM, 95 FZR1040, 69 Combat Commando Roadster, 73 Commando Interstate, 67 BSA B44, 71 BSA B50	I remember when there was no requirement in Wa for a motorcycle endorsment. Lots of people bought little bikes and rode around. Some of em got into trouble others didn't. Lots of kids got a Honda 90 to get to school on. Most of em didn't die. Today is somewhat different. Bikes are a LOT faster. Kids have more disposable income. Really fast bikes are much more popular. Washington went to a tiered system in the laet 70's or early 80's I think. Didn't make a lot of difference. Got dropped not long after. Today I would most likely be in favor of a tiered system. I for sure think an endorsment ought to be required for the purchase of a bike though. I think the penalties for riding without an endorsment ought to be increased. Same with eluding. But I think it would not be a good thing to remove teh requirement for an endorsment. It would just get more people hurt and cause more profiling by the police than we already have. Not to mention the fact that insurance rates would go through the roof. As if they wern't already high enough. I think you could start on a 500cc and less license, go to a 600 license and then open it up to what ever you want to ride. Or more likely, (because there are different styles of bikes) you could control it by power to weight ratio... But most people just starting out aren't buying a huge assed cruser.... They are buying a sport bike. Last edited by dragracer1951; 11-01-2008 at 08:18 AM..


10-31-2008, 03:43 PM	#2
Ejlofty Pit Crew Joined: Jun 2008 From: Bainbridge Island, WA I Ride: 2003 Triumph Speed Four	That would be stupid, check the stats on non endorsed riders crashing.


10-31-2008, 03:45 PM	#4
bukwld Mofo Dr. Phil of PNW Joined: Sep 2007 From: Everett, WA I Ride: ride?? it's winter time, we don't ride in the winter, or do we??	agreed with johnny!! trying to repeal the law is stupid. it would never happen in the first place. our death rate would rise and we'd be profiled even more


10-31-2008, 03:45 PM	#5
nwgmt Zone Head Joined: Jul 2008 From: Auburn, WA I Ride: 95' CBR1000f	ya...that would be a very unintelligent decision to make


10-31-2008, 03:50 PM	#7
tokin Hello Kitty Fan Joined: May 2007 From: none Blog Entries: 1	I think the stuff they teach in MSF/require on the rider test should be required to get a car license too. Why is it harder to get a motorcycle endorsement then a drivers license?


10-31-2008, 07:37 PM	#10
shooter2000 Superbiker Joined: Oct 2007 From: Duvall, WA I Ride: Anniversary R6 (For Sale) / '05 Ninja 250 (sold)	If anything I say the test should be a little harder to pass. If you cannot pass that test you should NEVER be on the road.


10-31-2008, 07:44 PM	#11
erickb Mr. PNW Riders 2007 Joined: Jun 2005 From: classified Blog Entries: 2 I Ride: without gear	don't matter anyone can go bike any size bike they want and still will not know how to ride. So the endorsement does not matter, also you don't have to have one to buy a mc so WTF


10-31-2008, 07:45 PM	#12
courier11sec Training Wheels Joined: Sep 2008 From: bellingham, WA I Ride: 2006 dr z400s, 1981 Suzuki GS850G, 1979 Suzuki GS750 (project)	I think a motorcycle endorsement should be the first step in gaining ones driving privilege at all. At least for those physically able to operate all the controls.


10-31-2008, 08:02 PM	#13
David Davenport Street Rider Joined: Jul 2007 From: Everett, WA. I Ride: 1998 Honda Nighthawk cb750	Bad idea. Could be a major population decrease. And lots more of those guys around.


10-31-2008, 08:12 PM	#14
snake Paralized with excitement Joined: May 2005 From: Spokane I Ride: GSX-R's	All I know is I think everyone should ignore the law. It probably doesn't really exist.


10-31-2008, 08:24 PM	#17
gixxerbabe Endorsed Joined: Aug 2008 From: puyallup I Ride: 2007 gsxr 600	I think getting an endorsement should stay requirement. I hate to even imagine riders out on the streets without ever receiving an endorsement. Its the street not some back dirt trail.


10-31-2008, 08:46 PM	#19
Warhammer34 Training Wheels Joined: Jul 2008 From: Spanaway,WA I Ride: Cause walking sucks!	There should be a tiered system. I took the test on my 1krrr. Passed with a little bit of practice prior to test. That's how it should be, test on what you plan to put on the street. Anyone can twist the throttle, few can handle their bikes at low speed. At those speeds is where our bread and butter reside.


11-01-2008, 08:23 AM	#23
BordnBill Training Wheels Joined: Feb 2005 From: Cashmere I Ride: RC51 and a KTM	An endorsement should be required when purchasing or registering a bike.


11-01-2008, 10:20 AM	#26
james1300 Track School Dazed Joined: Oct 2005 From: CENTRAL I Ride: When I can	Keep the endorsement! Make it tiered. By experiance and skill. That way a Nubee doesnt get a 600cc Superbike for their first street bike.


11-01-2008, 10:21 AM	#27
David Davenport Street Rider Joined: Jul 2007 From: Everett, WA. I Ride: 1998 Honda Nighthawk cb750	I got my endosement by taking a class. They treat you and train you as if you've never touched a bike before. And in 3 days your good to go. You usually have the skills, for the road or bigger bikes. My first ride I still use. And I've seen people who've never touched a bike come out with some good starting skills. Just like a drivers education class this should be a must for all.


11-01-2008, 10:22 AM	#29
rpappi Superbiker Joined: Dec 2007 From: sandy beach, minus the beach I Ride: 2002 Suzuki Bandit 1200	Im all for it the more population control the better


11-01-2008, 11:02 AM	#30
Eugene Endorsed Joined: Oct 2008 From: Hillsboro, OR I Ride: SV650S	I took the Team Oregon course, did VERY well and passed with zero faults, rode a 250 around for a month, bought an SV650S...and im still squiddy as fuck......so to just get a motorcycle and start riding would probably be a bad idea........