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Old 06-01-2012, 08:58 PM   #61
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So to get this thread back on track....

I did some research tonight.

Two locations in Olympia have ethanol free fuels. One has mid grade and the other has premium.

Prices were posted as:

Mid $4.49/gallon
Premium $4.64/gallon

Add $0.05/gallon if paying with a credit card.

So then I checked my usual spot, premium was $4.55/gallon for the E10 stuff.

A little math tells me that ethanol free fuel is about 2% more expensive with a CFN card or 3% more with a credit card.

If claims are true one should see a 10% fuel economy improvement so that would make this more expensive fuel about 7% cheaper....

Might have to run a few tanks and see where I get with this. If nothing else I will fill the bikes with it before I park them for more than a week to save me the hassle of the hard starting.

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Old 06-02-2012, 11:37 AM   #62
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Filled up the Ninja last night. We will see if running a tank through makes a noticeable difference.

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Old 06-04-2012, 10:42 AM   #63
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Filled up the VFR this weekend. We shall see if it is hard to start next weekend, maybe I should wait two weeks?

And I miss quoted the prices.

Premium is $4.59 with the CFN/Fast Fuel card and $4.64 without.

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Old 06-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #64
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Yup. I ran one (and only one) tank through my motorcycle. It was hard to start, idled like crap, and the bike all-around hated it.
i've run the issy stuff thru the mighty gixxer a few times now and it seems to love it. maybe its a honduh thing? i hear they hate synth oil too...

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News flash;
None of us are always right. You included. It shows an incredible lack of maturity when you attack those that merely disagree with you.

Infraction given.
1. someone needs to point the OP to the hot topix section so he can spew his policital agenda to the idiots there what give two shits.
2. why is this thread not in hot topics. its clearly a political debate in the OP's head more than anything else.
3. this thread could have & shouild have ended once the link to the pure gas site was posted.

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Old 06-04-2012, 12:59 PM   #65
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i've run the issy stuff thru the mighty gixxer a few times now and it seems to love it. maybe its a honduh thing? i hear they hate synth oil too...



1. someone needs to point the OP to the hot topix section so he can spew his policital agenda to the idiots there what give two shits.
2. why is this thread not in hot topics. its clearly a political debate in the OP's head more than anything else.
3. this thread could have & shouild have ended once the link to the pure gas site was posted.


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Old 06-04-2012, 09:04 PM   #66
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The two little girls still can't drop it. Wimps with no guts!

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:13 AM   #67
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Went to toppenish yesterday and their was a CFN fuel spot way off in the boondocks. The only problem was they only had regular and diesel. What does it take to get signed up for the card, as it didn't appear there was any place to pay for the gas at that location. I can buy the racing gas from Yakima and add it to the regular for an octane booster. And for those that think I get into the political. Well, yes, it's very hard not to touch on the politics when everyone can see that no matter who it is in office this is a sacrificial lamb to obtaining the position. And yes I don't appreciate the people in charge taking away my right to make my own choices in any manner, especially when you can follow it back and there is zero gain and in fact a minus in emissions, not to mention less mileage, performance, maintenance, and higher food prices. I just picked up a third bike, two of them having carburation problems which means going through the whole system and finding the residue left in the jets. Whoopee my gain, but someone elses loss that didn't take the time to sell a running bike, because of the expense of a mechanic. This isn't a right or left issue. This is your right to free choice and for those of you not willing to fight and hold those in office accountable, you can expect them to encroach more and more. Just roll over and go back to sleep and attack people like myself that bring it to light. Hide behind your computer and throw flames you big tough little girls.

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:35 AM   #68
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Went to toppenish yesterday and their was a CFN fuel spot way off in the boondocks. The only problem was they only had regular and diesel. What does it take to get signed up for the card, as it didn't appear there was any place to pay for the gas at that location. I can buy the racing gas from Yakima and add it to the regular for an octane booster. And for those that think I get into the political. Well, yes, it's very hard not to touch on the politics when everyone can see that no matter who it is in office this is a sacrificial lamb to obtaining the position. And yes I don't appreciate the people in charge taking away my right to make my own choices in any manner, especially when you can follow it back and there is zero gain and in fact a minus in emissions, not to mention less mileage, performance, maintenance, and higher food prices. I just picked up a third bike, two of them having carburation problems which means going through the whole system and finding the residue left in the jets. Whoopee my gain, but someone elses loss that didn't take the time to sell a running bike, because of the expense of a mechanic. This isn't a right or left issue. This is your right to free choice and for those of you not willing to fight and hold those in office accountable, you can expect them to encroach more and more. Just roll over and go back to sleep and attack people like myself that bring it to light. Hide behind your computer and throw flames you big tough little girls.
1. not sure if you realize it or not but you are sitting behind your computer talking tough. in the real world we call this being a hypocrite.
2. here is how you become a cfn cardholder
3. there is plenty to hold those in office accountable. how do you pick just one and why is this one more important than all the others?

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Old 06-05-2012, 11:44 AM   #69
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For the really stupid that can't be fixed, the reason I've picked this topic as important in a bike forum is:

1. This deals with motorcycles.

2. And I'm all of the sudden unable to find ethanol free gas.

3. Ethanol gas is bad for motorcycles, marine engines and cars.

4. I don't want to run ethanol in my motorcycle.

5. There are some clowns that feel this is a political issue that shouldn't be discussed, I'd just be happy at finding my gas and going about my business.

6. I have no problems with you running ethanol in your vehicle, where I have
a problem is when you tell me I can't run a non ethanol blend in my vehicle.

7. I'm really easy to find at bike nights and other events just ask anyone.

8 Next big event Hogs and Dogs in West Richland, I'll be there with bells.

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Old 06-08-2012, 10:14 AM   #70
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-Thread topic- "Ethanol Scam...." in the thread title its political as you are assuming its a scam and holding down your freedoms as you state.. thats ok thats your opinion and yes it deals with motorcycles...however not in this forum there should be a rant or debate section not in this ... find it

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Old 06-08-2012, 10:15 AM   #71
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here is your spot to post from now on... not saying you have to but you should cuz this is not the place for it...


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Old 06-08-2012, 06:57 PM   #72
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It's pretty much ran it course, except for the few whiners that really never bothered to contribute from the first. I appreciate those that had constructive comments that moved us forward and allow us through their travels to know where we can still get non ethenol gas. Not only has this thread splintered throughout the pnw, as others feel it's an important subject, and are not happy about people that don't allow us to make our own choices, especially when it harms our expensive bikes. I'm happy with where this thread is and would post it here again as even though we all know it's political garbage, we still need to deal with things that effect our lives. And fuel is a very important issue. And once snopes or stopes or popes feels it's his duty to run this forum I have to laugh as he has a hard enough time riding. Thanks but no thanks. And I did notice that the threads that splintered posted in the same place, this is a major issue that I'm dealing with and will continue to use non ethanol. Popes you can use water and dirt in your tank for all I care.

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Old 06-08-2012, 08:28 PM   #73
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Do you need a CFN/Fast Fuel card to shop here?

Keep up posted on your results.

Sorry, I didn't check this thread. Looks like you found out, it's a few cents more without a CFN card. I've ran about 3 full tanks of 92 ethanol-free gasthrough my bike so far. A few miles down the road after the first fill up, when the old stuff was ran through the lines, the bike started running smoother than it ever has. (it was an instant change and VERY noticeable) Smoother than a fresh oil change, the bike has very low miles also.

Problem is the bike is running so good I keep jumping on the throttle every chance I get. My last 3 fill-ups were 40, 40, and 45. I have to ride really fast/aggressive to hit 40mpg. I'll try to run a conservative-commute tank through next fill up and see if I can break 49 mpg, which was my best on 10% ethanol.

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Old 06-08-2012, 10:31 PM   #74
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Thanks for the post very informing. I've only ran ethanol free except when I got stranded, and then only enough to get me to the ethanol free station. And now the odds of getting stranded are much higher. I agree it's hard not to hit the throttle. And other riders always accused me of having a geared down bike. Well, no it's just running on good fuel the type of fuel is was intended for! Shock. Crap in crap out.

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Old 06-10-2012, 05:06 PM   #75
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76 on 16th in Yakima is ethanol free... filled up my bike ran it all over .. didn't notice anything I mean Its a new bike I could put poo in it and itd run great...so Idk better gas mileage..yes...maybe have to buy new hoses down the road...yes..but Id have to anyway.. so I guess to me even though I agree that ethanol free gas is better.. and I do think it is. The fact is that I really am not going to ride across town to go to a station with ethanol free gas.. my time is worth more than replacing rubber parts..a little early..if it were on my way to work or closer Id fill up there every time since its not.. well I feel my time is worth more. JMO

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Old 06-10-2012, 05:29 PM   #76
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Glad the see that the op still doesn't realize that everyone agrees with him.

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Old 06-11-2012, 05:39 AM   #77
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Well, I have run half a tank of e-free so far and haven't noticed a difference in how she runs.

But I will say this, I have only put a little over 1K miles on it and may not have a really solid feel for her yet.

If it was on the R1 or one of my Harleys I might hear/feel it.

I will keep looking for it.

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Old 06-11-2012, 10:09 AM   #78
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You guys don't have a clue. First those of you that think you are running e free are more than likely not. As I posted earlier, stations that don't have the stickers where I have been filling up are e stations now, just haven't got around to putting the stickers on, wonder why? hah. There are a few on here that have gone the extra step and have talked to the supplies to make sure. I have done that with the one in Yakima, took a half hour of my time. And another poster was the one that enlightened me on the location, thanks, some get the picture.

Politics, left or right, you got it wrong again. This is about big government and large corporations doing just what they did in 33 in Germany. They dressed a pig in a dress and put lipstick on it. Same now, you can take billions of taxpayers dollars and subsidize the ethanol biz and turn around under the name of environment and shove an inferior product on the customer in the name of hokus pokus and the people say oh well and I'll just replace the hoses and rubber parts and they go on with life. And then the big corporations come up with another scheme to steal taxpayer money and send that on it's merry way as the people did nothing but write a few words on a stupid old forum and argue about whether the poster had a right to even post. Government of course will have to raise taxes for all of the un-nessary regulation and spending in order for them to bring you this wonderful new product rubber stamped by the people that are suppose to watch out for your rights, liberties, and pocketbook. And in the case of the corn crap they are sending your way, it's taking millions of acres that should be used for food purposes, while millions are starving while a big percentage of you see no wrong in putting it in your tanks. And for those that aren't starving it raises all of our food prices. Wonder why some people can't pay their mortgages, they'd rather eat first. Those that think this is about me, I have to laugh, I'm trying to wake people up, to stand up for themselves and for what is right. Dress a pig up, it's still a pig. Do you really wonder why people want a change?????? Some people know how to rub the lipstick off a pig. If you are so dense at this point there really isn't much chance you'll start using that sack sitting on your shoulders now anyway. Why should I bother, when it just cruzes right over your heads!

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Old 06-11-2012, 10:17 AM   #79
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No more ethanol subsidies.....better re-educate yourself on what exactly you are preaching. They expired January 1st of 2012 with no renewal in sight. At least get your facts straight when you get on the soapbox, k?

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Old 06-11-2012, 10:24 AM   #80
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You guys don't have a clue. First those of you that think you are running e free are more than likely not. As I posted earlier, stations that don't have the stickers where I have been filling up are e stations now, just haven't got around to putting the stickers on, wonder why? hah. There are a few on here that have gone the extra step and have talked to the supplies to make sure. I have done that with the one in Yakima, took a half hour of my time. And another poster was the one that enlightened me on the location, thanks, some get the picture.

Politics, left or right, you got it wrong again. This is about big government and large corporations doing just what they did in 33 in Germany. They dressed a pig in a dress and put lipstick on it. Same now, you can take billions of taxpayers dollars and subsidize the ethanol biz and turn around under the name of environment and shove an inferior product on the customer in the name of hokus pokus and the people say oh well and I'll just replace the hoses and rubber parts and they go on with life. And then the big corporations come up with another scheme to steal taxpayer money and send that on it's merry way as the people did nothing but write a few words on a stupid old forum and argue about whether the poster had a right to even post. Government of course will have to raise taxes for all of the un-nessary regulation and spending in order for them to bring you this wonderful new product rubber stamped by the people that are suppose to watch out for your rights, liberties, and pocketbook. And in the case of the corn crap they are sending your way, it's taking millions of acres that should be used for food purposes, while millions are starving while a big percentage of you see no wrong in putting it in your tanks. And for those that aren't starving it raises all of our food prices. Wonder why some people can't pay their mortgages, they'd rather eat first. Those that think this is about me, I have to laugh, I'm trying to wake people up, to stand up for themselves and for what is right. Dress a pig up, it's still a pig. Do you really wonder why people want a change?????? Some people know how to rub the lipstick off a pig. If you are so dense at this point there really isn't much chance you'll start using that sack sitting on your shoulders now anyway. Why should I bother, when it just cruzes right over your heads!
Yes; you're right. None of us know a thing about anything. You should be a professor or some shit with the infinite knowledge you posess. Keep us updated on your progress....

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